Hamas Willing To Disarm...new position

[shack]

He's been pretty clear.
A ceasefire would only be a pause before he 'finishes the job'.

Since the sign was written in green, it is a Hamas supporter and it clearly means "kill all the Jews" which is a call for genocide of Jews. Of course you intentionally misconstrue it to mean that Jews are calling for all Palestinians to be killed.

Why are you incapable of ever being honest?

 

[shack]

For instance, if Israel controls all the border crossings, blows in the tunnels and traps Hamas indefinitely in Rafah, what do you think happens to Hamas in the long run?

They become martyrs and incapable of committing any more terror attacks.

 

[Valcazar]

It's more nuanced than that.

Of course it is.

Why isn't Hamas returning the hostages?..... because doing that would entail giving in to Israel and not doing jihad and that would destroy Hamas' reputation among the other wacko extremist Islamic terror groups.

Which in no way changes "If Hamas just gave back the hostages, Israel would withdraw/stop bombing" being an incorrect statement.

There's more than 1 way to destroy an enemy.

For instance, if Israel controls all the border crossings, blows in the tunnels and traps Hamas indefinitely in Rafah, what do you think happens to Hamas in the long run?

It reforms under another name, probably.
Israel has pretty much ensured the survival of Hamas or a similar movement with the their conduct.

 

[mandrill]

Which in no way changes "If Hamas just gave back the hostages, Israel would withdraw/stop bombing" being an incorrect statement.

Probably. But it's moot anyway. Hamas will torture and kill the hostages in their tunnels and they will never be freed.

But you're more focused on Israel as "the bad guy" I guess.

It reforms under another name, probably.

Depends how sick the Gazans are of the jihad and what % of them just want a normal life with a normal government.

Israel has pretty much ensured the survival of Hamas or a similar movement with the their conduct.

Bullshit. The hate has already been ingrained in the Gazans by 50 years of being led by turds like Sinwar and his kind. There's little that Israel can do in the short term to re focus the hearts and minds of the Gazans.

Has Israel done shit to alienate the already-hating Gazans?..... Probably. Would Israel being kind to the Gazans have made the latter love Israel?.... Nope.

The Islamic Middle-East thrives on hate, factional conflict and religious extremism. Shiites kill Sunnis kill Kurds in Iraq. Christians kill Shiites in Lebanon. Houthis kill whoever else in Yemen. Assad kills whatever extremist factions in Syria.

You think if Assad was nice to ISIS instead of bombing it that ISIS would be nice back?..... That's not how the Middle East works.

But if it doesn't involve sniping at Israel, you don't gaf, do you?

 

[Valcazar]

Probably. But it's moot anyway. Hamas will torture and kill the hostages in their tunnels and they will never be freed.

But you're more focused on Israel as "the bad guy" I guess.

I'm downright pro-Hamas. Just ask Frank and Klaatu and Kautiyla.

Depends how sick the Gazans are of the jihad and what % of them just want a normal life with a normal government.

It's reformation is basically inevitable.

How much power it has is variable.

The KKK of the 1920s was vastly more powerful than the KKK of today.
But the KKK didn't disappear.
(And if you go for "overt white supremacists with political power", then obviously the KKK under a new name is very hale and hearty these days.)

Bullshit. The hate has already been ingrained in the Gazans by 50 years of being led by turds like Sinwar and his kind. There's little that Israel can do in the short term to re focus the hearts and minds of the Gazans.

Killing lots of people isn't helping though.

Has Israel done shit to alienate the already-hating Gazans?..... Probably. Would Israel being kind to the Gazans have made the latter love Israel?.... Nope.

Therefore Israel should be as unkind as possible?

The Islamic Middle-East thrives on hate, factional conflict and religious extremism. Shiites kill Sunnis kill Kurds in Iraq. Christians kill Shiites in Lebanon. Houthis kill whoever else in Yemen. Assad kills whatever extremist factions in Syria.

You think if Assad was nice to ISIS instead of bombing it that ISIS would be nice back?..... That's not how the Middle East works.

But if it doesn't involve sniping at Israel, you don't gaf, do you?

Wow.
No idea you were this thin skinned.

Sorry.
"They're animals and only violence will keep them in line" is a bullshit answer.
So is pretending the only alternatives are mass slaughter or surrender.

 

[basketcase]

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Wow, you're right, the lack of clean water and slowness of the Truth and Reconciliation ...

And more justification for you being part of a settler country that disposed, committed genocide and continues to steal land while claiming that people somewhere else are evil because they are settlers committing genocide even though half of those other 'settlers' are indigenous to the region.

 

[basketcase]

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Israel has Kahanists elected to their government, recognized by Canada as terrorists.
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And I condemn them repeatedly because their racist violent dogma is a major stumbling block to peace just like I do with Hamas, PFLP, PIJ, and factions of Fatah for their racist, violent dogma.

Meanwhile you condemn all Israelis as racist, violent scum (even while quoting some Israeli jews you agree with) while you make excuses for Hamas' racist violence.

The big difference I see in my hope for the future is the Israeli public has strongly come out against Netanyahu and his racist fringe but Palestinians in the West Bank are adoring Hamas' and there is zero chance of an election.

 

[basketcase]

The goal is destroying Hamas.
The hostages have been entirely beside the point to the government.

And there were absolutely people saying "All Hamas has to do is return the hostages" as if it wasn't a ludicrous statement.

With much of the Israeli public, it would be true but knowing how tenuous his hold on power is, Netanyahu is playing to his radical fringe, the same way that Hamas has been even more maximalist as the negotiations go on.

Sadly Netanyahu doesn't see that his refusal to put the hostages first is losing him support. I keep hoping that his talk about Rafah is simply part of a carrot-stick tactic to get the hostages back but at other times, I think he understands Hamas leadership much better than we do since both he and them are motivated primarily with keeping personal power.

 

[basketcase]

He's been pretty clear.
A ceasefire would only be a pause before he 'finishes the job'.
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And you think removing Hamas from power in response to their terror attack on the 7th is a bad thing?

 

[Frankfooter]

So we agree that when Net said on Oct.8 that finishing the job meant returning the hostages and destroying Hamas and that is still the goals of this campaign.
A ceasefire is contingent on those parameters. Pretty simple, no?

Hamas needs to release the hostages and surrender.

No, Netanyahu means killing everyone he declares is or supports Hamas.
He's been quite clear on that.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1789087085497835699

 

[Frankfooter]

With much of the Israeli public, it would be true but knowing how tenuous his hold on power is, Netanyahu is playing to his radical fringe, the same way that Hamas has been even more maximalist as the negotiations go on.

Sadly Netanyahu doesn't see that his refusal to put the hostages first is losing him support. I keep hoping that his talk about Rafah is simply part of a carrot-stick tactic to get the hostages back but at other times, I think he understands Hamas leadership much better than we do since both he and them are motivated primarily with keeping personal power.

Netanyahu knows that as soon as the genocide is done, he's finished.
The people are against him, his government is against him and he's pissing off his army.

Even so, it wasn't the IDF that burnt down the UNRWA today, it was Israelis.
The question is how deep is that rot and racist hate?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1788643951945150790

 

[Frankfooter]

And you think removing Hamas from power in response to their terror attack on the 7th is a bad thing?

If you want peace end the illegal occupation.
That is the cause of the resistance.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1788824900745990285

 

[shack]

No, Netanyahu means killing everyone he declares is or supports Hamas.
He's been quite clear on that.

Cool. You speak for all Palestinians and now you speak for Net.

 

[wigglee]

Ya! Great idea Israel can keep up their plans to eradicate the Palestinian woman and children and take over their land.

Ethnic cleansing at its finest.

 

[Frankfooter]

Cool. You speak for all Palestinians and now you speak for Net.

I just report what he says, hammy.

Why do you think Israelis are burning down the UN buildings in Israel?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1788901887254626741