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Mencken

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When companies begin to verify credentials claimed on employees applications and they find they are not valid they can dismiss with cause. Not sure how that stands up if the employee had already performed well over a long period of time in the role, but I know of people that this has happened to.

Their own fault, and they deserve to be fired.
 

torontojohn

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Sorry, but they must have been puling your leg. Most of the reputable ones keep the records indefinitely.
My alma mater ain't much of an institution anymore. It was just barely acceptable when I went there.

It doesn't surprise me to find out that GOOD institutions ignore the law and keep their records for decades.
 

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When companies begin to verify credentials claimed on employees applications and they find they are not valid they can dismiss with cause. Not sure how that stands up if the employee had already performed well over a long period of time in the role, but I know of people that this has happened to.
When dismissing due to lying on a resume, the employer usually must show that not having the credential in question adversely impacts the job. At least, that's for unionized companies or people with employment contracts who could otherwise sue.

If it's an outright, bold-faced lie, odds are better than the courts won't be lenient. And if it's a lie about something you must have for the job, the employer's chances are even better.

One interview tip is to actually go over a person's resume and verify what's on it. "You graduated from XYZ University in 1996?" That makes it more difficult for people to gloss over and/or say they attended the university for 4 years without actually saying they graduated.
 

thompo69

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My alma mater ain't much of an institution anymore. It was just barely acceptable when I went there.

It doesn't surprise me to find out that GOOD institutions ignore the law and keep their records for decades.
What law do you think is being ignored?
 

torontojohn

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What law do you think is being ignored?
Whatever law requires accredited institutions to keep records of student performance.

Hell, there may BE no such law except tax law - I imaging it be part of billing records at a minimum.

In this case, I was suggesting the law was ignored in that the requirements were being exceeded. (ie, ignored in a good way)
 

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Scarey

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Faking the resume.....

I have known a tonne of goobers who drank their way through college in their teens and got their degree and had retained little to none of the information or basic skills from it.( I say a tonne..not all).Much of that education was paid for by mom and dad.

I started in my mid 20's(not all of us had college education funds) and didn't think twice about "polishing" my resumes to make it look better.I've proven myself in my industry and if you think terminating me for a 10 year old resume is "the right thing to do"..or "business ethics"(now THERE's an oxymoron)I'll be more then happy to go..........right over to your biggest competitor who doesn't give a shit about anything but my reputation for getting things done..and WELL.

My two cents
 

Aardvark154

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I'm guessing that what they meant was that they keep the paper files handy for about 7 years, then they go to longterm storage as it has been my experience that schools keep that stuff forever.
Absolutely.


Further in many of these cases employers are merely requesting confirmation of graduation not official transcripts with grades.

In most places for the professions you can't be licensed without the licensing Board or Society having seen proof of your degrees.
 

WhaWhaWha

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Between a rock and a hard place
Want to be freaked out a bit more? Some employers are using this website to check up on staff and potential new hires.

http://www.spokeo.com/email

type in your email and see what it finds out about you.
I tried five email addresses. 2 current, 1 friend, and 2 dummies. It gave me accurate (too accurate and too much) detail on the current emails. People who are not accepted in my social networking can see pictures of me and friends and family. Not cool. They are hacking my account or I need to shut off some view options.

But it also made up stuff about my dummy accounts belonging to multiple social netwoking groups
 

jbar

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I tried five email addresses. 2 current, 1 friend, and 2 dummies. It gave me accurate (too accurate and too much) detail on the current emails. People who are not accepted in my social networking can see pictures of me and friends and family. Not cool. They are hacking my account or I need to shut off some view options.

But it also made up stuff about my dummy accounts belonging to multiple social netwoking groups
I guess it defaults to a false positive result if it can't find anything legit. I tried it a few more times, and I highly doubt that Elvis works at ING Direct.
 

Nofah Kingway

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I had job interview yesterday with a major national corporation, for an accounting role. They asked me to sign a form that would authorize them (or I should say a background checking company - Kroll) to verify my references, criminal record, credit record, and education record.

None of those items are a problem for me, but that was the first time somebody asked for permission to check my education records. Is this par for the course (no pun intended)? Are there that many more people falsifying their educational credentials, since I last looked for a different company to work for? Is this just an accounting/finance-role thing, or this regular practice for jobs in any sector? I'm just curious.

I'm hoping to get a accounting-porn hybrid job....would they also ask for proof regarding the size of my willy?:D
Yes, it is common. My company uses Kroll as well. You would be surprised to see how many prospective employees would actually balk at signing the authorization for the background search.
 

spatial_k

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Checking someone's educational info seems to make a lot more sense to me than a credit check. Of course there are specific jobs and levels where it might be relevant but a person's credit isn't necessarily reflective of anything. Lying about having a master's degree is another story.
 

jbar

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Yes, it is common. My company uses Kroll as well. You would be surprised to see how many prospective employees would actually balk at signing the authorization for the background search.
So I'm assuming that these people are filtered out then? Its a safe bet that some of them are hiding something. I was talking to my sister about an hour ago, and she does some of the hiring for her corporation. She told me that she has come across people who were %100 truthful regarding their skills, accomplishments and education, but they re-adjusted some of the time-lines to help fill in unemployment and/or education gaps. She said that she bypassed someone because they "moved" their education foward by a few years (e.g. said they graduated in 2008, but they really graduated in 2006). She said that in the end, misrepresentation is still misrepresentation. The standards are only going to get tougher too.
 

mmouse

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Once I was asked for my SIN number when I went for an interview, so they could do a credit check. I'm not sure if that's legal, so I refused to provide it. I had the interview and got an offer anyway.

Also, a lot of "recruiters" (a.k.a. scum) will persuade candidates to doctor their resumes to please their clients. I have been asked to change job titles and add skills that I have never used. With the dearth of jobs out there, I'm sure many job seekers have figured out they might as well do this when applying directly. I wouldn't be surprised if employers are now checking resumes a lot more carefully.
 

GDLLover

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If you have nothing to hide there shouldn't be a problem with them checking your history.

I understand why they do it. Too many people flat out lie on resumes, say they have degrees they don't and also are very unstable.
 

lurkerjoe

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Once I was asked for my SIN number when I went for an interview, so they could do a credit check. I'm not sure if that's legal, so I refused to provide it. I had the interview and got an offer anyway.
Completely illegal. Only times you must give your SIN number are to financial institutions when opening an account, employer when newly hired and of course to the tax man.
 

Alex_Ontario

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I had job interview yesterday with a major national corporation, for an accounting role. They asked me to sign a form that would authorize them (or I should say a background checking company - Kroll) to verify my references, criminal record, credit record, and education record.

None of those items are a problem for me, but that was the first time somebody asked for permission to check my education records. Is this par for the course (no pun intended)? Are there that many more people falsifying their educational credentials, since I last looked for a different company to work for? Is this just an accounting/finance-role thing, or this regular practice for jobs in any sector? I'm just curious.

I'm hoping to get a accounting-porn hybrid job....would they also ask for proof regarding the size of my willy?:D
More importantly.... what the hell is up with your sig pic? Haha. I've always wondered about this. Who is Qiqirn? LOL.
 

jbar

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More importantly.... what the hell is up with your sig pic? Haha. I've always wondered about this. Who is Qiqirn? LOL.
It's from the movie The Brothers Solomon. It is kind of like a cross between Dumber & Dumber and Baby Mama. The two main charactors (they BOTH took Eskimos to their prom in the Arctic), are so fucking stupid, cringe-worthy, and socially inept, they make me look like Einstein. It's so bad....it's good!! I suggest you download it for free rather than spend good money on it.


Cheers,
Eskimo-lover #3
 
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