Which country should be most proudest of its history?

Country with the proudest history?

  • England

    Votes: 21 23.9%
  • France

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • Unirted States

    Votes: 14 15.9%
  • Germany

    Votes: 4 4.5%
  • Japan

    Votes: 3 3.4%
  • China

    Votes: 9 10.2%
  • Mexico

    Votes: 2 2.3%
  • Italy

    Votes: 9 10.2%
  • Spain

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • Canada

    Votes: 24 27.3%

  • Total voters
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jiiimmm

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Have to say wrong to both.

Slavery has been common in every culture going back to the start of civilization.

The (white) roman empire was only able to exist because of slavery with something like a third of all people in Italy being slaves during the imperial era and the people of every place they conquered (including Africa) adding to the pool of 'resources'.
Basketcase, it's you that's wrong here. They are both correct. Slavery is alive and well in many African nations today. Sudan, Chad, Mali and Ethiopia to name a few. The early whites just capitalized on an already existing market. They just did it more efficiently. Whites have dropped out of the equation but Africans still practice it, especially in the Sudan.
 

basketcase

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The proof is the Auschwitz memory stone which they revised in 1995 from 4.5 down to 1.5 million.
How you call that? The numbers are changed? Yes! The 4.5 million was bulletproof in 1950 but not in 1995.Why?
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Actually the number was never bulletproof, at least according to historians. The Polish Communist government posted the 4.1 million number for Auschwitz (partly for propaganda value) but historians have always known that wasn't true. They have always put the number for the entire Holocaust in the 5 million ballpark (+/- a million). All that changed was that the historians have made sure that the Auschwitz number was changed to account for those actually killed at Auschwitz .
 

Flick

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Japan and China have a very long history dating back a few thousand years.
Just because you didn't read about it in university or college does not mean that they didn't have history.
Unfortunately universities and colleges in Canada do not cover much of Japanese empire or the Chinese empire.
Here is a history or China and Japan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_of_Japan
Who cares ! North America and Europe (the west) do not want to read and write backwards.
 

basketcase

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Basketcase, it's you that's wrong here. They are both correct. Slavery is alive and well in many African nations today. Sudan, Chad, Mali and Ethiopia to name a few. The early whites just capitalized on an already existing market. They just did it more efficiently. Whites have dropped out of the equation but Africans still practice it, especially in the Sudan.
Are you saying that slavery was not a major part of the Roman way of life or that slavery wasn't common going back to Sumeria? Slaver has been a part of life all over the world since one group of people realized they weres strong enough to take advantage of others. Yes, Europeans may have stopped enslaving each other in the middle ages (unles you count feudal serfdom) but I would really suggest taking the time to learn some history before just blaming slavery on Africa.
 

rld

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Wha ? Lots of facts have changed in the past hundreds of years? Where ? in your sleep. Then a thousand years down the road we'll twist and turn things and state that the holocaust and black slavery never happened.
How about the crucifixion of Christ? Did that happened ?
What we believe happened in historical times changes all the time, often quite significantly. You may not be aware of it, but that is not important.

And what do you think on the Christ question. Do you think there is enough evidence to conclude that individual was crucified.

And yes, religion goes change all the time. Our understanding of the bible evolves all the time as well, as we have a better grasp on ancient languages and archeology, as well as the discovery of more copies of biblical texts. Why do you think every one got so excited when the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered or with the recent discoveries of the gospel of Thomas?
 

rld

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Basketcase, it's you that's wrong here. They are both correct. Slavery is alive and well in many African nations today. Sudan, Chad, Mali and Ethiopia to name a few. The early whites just capitalized on an already existing market. They just did it more efficiently. Whites have dropped out of the equation but Africans still practice it, especially in the Sudan.
That is not exactly how slavery really evolved in Africa. While there were institutions that bore a resemblance to slavery in pre-colonial Africa, what we think of as slavery was really brought into being firstly by Arabs and then by europeans. And the scale and outcome were orders of magnitude larger in the colonial era.
 

basketcase

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There's tons of evidence that dissidents were crucified by the Romans. Whether there was a Jesus as described in the bible and whether he was divine entity is a matter for faith, not historical fact.
 

Flick

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What we believe happened in historical times changes all the time, often quite significantly. You may not be aware of it, but that is not important.

And what do you think on the Christ question. Do you think there is enough evidence to conclude that individual was crucified.

And yes, religion goes change all the time. Our understanding of the bible evolves all the time as well, as we have a better grasp on ancient languages and archeology, as well as the discovery of more copies of biblical texts. Why do you think every one got so excited when the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered or with the recent discoveries of the gospel of Thomas?
Religion doesn't change no matter what you believe in. Mythology doesn't change, how the hell can religion change? What was written back in those days for all religions will never change. Are atheists going to every believe in anything?
 

Flick

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There's tons of evidence that dissidents were crucified by the Romans. Whether there was a Jesus as described in the bible and whether he was divine entity is a matter for faith, not historical fact.
You say that because it is not your religion.
 

basketcase

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You say that because it is not your religion.
Actually it is (as much as any). I just see a difference between fact and faith.

p.s. Religion does change. Maybe it would be more perceive to say the way people practice and perceive the truth of religion changes. How many different forms of Christianity are there? What happened at the council of Nicea? Is the King James Bible the original text? How come the Popes keep changing things?
 

doggystyle99

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Who cares ! North America and Europe (the west) do not want to read and write backwards.
Actually again you putting your foot in your mouth its only north americans.
Europeans are very well educated on world history.
Knowing something is true and just ignoring it is ignorant.
 

jiiimmm

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Are you saying that slavery was not a major part of the Roman way of life or that slavery wasn't common going back to Sumeria? Slaver has been a part of life all over the world since one group of people realized they weres strong enough to take advantage of others. Yes, Europeans may have stopped enslaving each other in the middle ages (unles you count feudal serfdom) but I would really suggest taking the time to learn some history before just blaming slavery on Africa.
My credentials are quite good, thanks for your concern. However, I'm not "blaming slavery on Africa". Just stating facts.
 

basketcase

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Again, why do you choose to ignore the institutionalized slavery all over the world (including by whites) before the 1400's when the Europeans began heavy involvement in the African slave trade?
 

jiiimmm

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Again, why do you choose to ignore the institutionalized slavery all over the world (including by whites) before the 1400's when the Europeans began heavy involvement in the African slave trade?
I'm not ignoring anything. I'm simply stating the fact that slavery was alive and well before the white man and continues long after the white man's involvement. I find that many people are unaware of these facts and seem to think that slavery started and ended with the evil white man which is false.
 

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I don't think any country should be proud of it's history.
Doesn't look like any country has learned from it's history.
 

rld

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Religion doesn't change no matter what you believe in. Mythology doesn't change, how the hell can religion change? What was written back in those days for all religions will never change. Are atheists going to every believe in anything?
You clearly have never studied either religion or mythology is you think they are fixed and unchanging.

The most obvious example would be the morphing of the Greek gods into Roman.
 

Flick

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Ditto.. back in those days the people all had darker complexion including Christ as being black which could be true.
 

rld

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There's tons of evidence that dissidents were crucified by the Romans. Whether there was a Jesus as described in the bible and whether he was divine entity is a matter for faith, not historical fact.
There is more historic evidence for the existence of Jesus, written closer in time to the events in question than many other historical figures that we all take for granted existed.

The problem is that people who are hostile to christianity choose to apply a higher standard to historical Jesus than other historical figures.
 
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