similar argument can be made for never fucking women that are worth anything or eating food that is worth anything
the only little problem is that you end up living a life that is not worth anything
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the only little problem is that you end up living a life that is not worth anything
guys like you are the reason environment is destroyed. do you know how much industrial waste is generated by making one new car?
AWD is over-rated. They are only useful parking in snow, and not get stuck while parallel parking. It doesn't help much in high speed situations when you slide on snow / ice, all four wheels slip, and you end up keep moving in direction of slippage. Experienced rear wheel drivers can actually use the inertia of slipping to side slide by turning the two FREE front wheels, then re-accelerate rear wheels to change direction to avoid collision. AWD causes all four wheels to lock up or accelerate at same time, and cannot possible do that.
I've driven rear wheel BMW for 10 winters, with the same set of snow tires. never had problem. Get stuck in snow banks quite often though. But I always manage to get out of by pendulum swing technique. - by rocking the car back and forth, switching between 1st and reverse gear at the right moment to literally rock the car out of the snow. You can only accomplish this with stick shift, there is to be no pause between reverse and forward 1st gear change. Most automatic shift has a "P" in the middle to make this impossible. I always see some idiot spinning wheels in the snow in vain digging themselves deeper and deeper. If you had AWD it's easier because usually not all four wheels are stuck in snow at same time. But it is still possible. In all, you must know how to drive your car, not just blindely rely on some technology.
Hey you can get a used yukon for around 20k great for winters...drove one for 2 winters no prob before giving in to getting an escalade..
You edited my quote on purpose. Getting stuck in snow in parking is a situation you face, has nothing to do with your driving skill. How you get out of it IS. I have never lost control in snow while driving.
I knew audi / subaru lovers will flame me for this. The fact is AWD does add advantage in racing because your goal is speed, fast cornering even on slippery situations, AWD has more grip and can corner faster. but for everyday driving on the street, you'd be crazy to do what rally racing drivers do. AWD also adds considerable weight and fuel consumption to the car needlessly.
I'll start off by saying there's lots of good used winter beaters out there. The main thing is you have to have a good set of 4 winter tires. FWD is typically better than RWD in the snow. Some manufacturers build better AWD systems than others, I won't go into specifics but there are differences.
Now, as for TVA... What the hell are you talking about??? Thank you RM100 for pointing out those ridiculous comments.
TVA writes: AWD is over-rated. They are only useful parking in snow, and not get stuck while parallel parking. Followed by: I've driven rear wheel BMW for 10 winters, with the same set of snow tires. never had problem. Get stuck in snow banks quite often though. Maybe you should trade your 10 year old BMW in for a new X-Drive. You may just find you won't get stuck as often!
Whatever you choose, remember this. AWD will get you off the line much quicker in the snow than FWD or RWD but won't make you stop any faster. It makes you feel more confident which is the primary reason you see so many SUV's in the ditch during a snowfall!
I guess TVA was that one stupid driver this past winter with his 10 years old BMW think he can out run my Subaru, which later on hit the curb and hit a road sign.
dumbass!!..let me know when a RWD is good in winter and can out run a AWD..
dumbass!!..let me know when a RWD is good in winter and can out run a AWD..
If you have grade 5 reading skill, you would not be make this statement. I never said that. I'm saying 10 year old RWD, or FWD, or whatever car in the hands of experienced driver is FAR SUPERIOR than modern, brand new AWD AUDI in the hands of complete novice who simply think he can out manuvour more basic cars on the road just because he got the money to buy eletronic this, stability that...
I guess you are the suburu driver I saw going fast passing me only having to come to a complete stop at red light. He applied breaks, but it slipped nonetheless, crashing into the bus in front of him. AWD does not help in sharp breaking in snow, it only depends on friction between tire and road. I guess he bought into too the AWD comercial about it makes winter driver safe.
While you're shopping, you can keep an eye on some of the cars up for Government Auction at http://gcsurplus.ca
As a Closed Bid auction, you won't know until the bids are done if your bid was anywhere near what anyone else was offering, but they do have a few cars up with a "trivial" minimum bid. (e.g. a BMW with a minimum bid of under $200). That's not to suggest it'll sell for 200, 2000, or 10000 - that would be up to the other bidders. And once you've bid, you're committed.
But it doesn't hurt much to look!
As a Closed Bid auction, you won't know until the bids are done if your bid was anywhere near what anyone else was offering, but they do have a few cars up with a "trivial" minimum bid. (e.g. a BMW with a minimum bid of under $200). That's not to suggest it'll sell for 200, 2000, or 10000 - that would be up to the other bidders. And once you've bid, you're committed.
But it doesn't hurt much to look!
I agree with your last paragraph, which exact reason I think AWD is over-rated. it makes you feel confident, but not less accident prone.
You don't get what I said about stuck in snow. What I meant was, it's no big deal to get stuck in snow if you know how to rock yourself out. But not many people know hwo to do that, they just spin wheels in one direction, usually end up digging themselves deeper and deeper. AWD solves this problem for dumb drivers, and dont need to learn rocking technique. IMO, it's not worth the money if you know the rocking technique. Besides getting stuck in parking is not a safety issue, just inconvinient. given enough time, you will get out. Thus my argument that AWD does not really make it that much safer than any other car of equal weight and tire rating.
To clarify... I mean road side snow, not snow bank... you do not drive into snowbank... it's my English, which caused confusion...
If you ever drive in downtown Toronto, you often see the only parallel parking spot left is the one with lots of snow, sometimes almost as high as snowbank. So yes, you drive into it, or park much further and walk all the way back.
