Violence against Muslims continues in America
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I'll start by saying the thought of almost any kind of violence is abhorrent to me.
As to Muslims in particular, they seem to be front and center in so many conflicts around the world even though we repeatedly hear how the vast majority of them are peace loving and it is only a small minority of radicals who cause so many problems.
The best way to reign in the radicals would be for it to happen within the Muslim community. With so many moderates and so few radicals it should be doable but I don't see much of it happening. IMO, the fact it continues implies a tacit approval within the Muslim community.
This beating was a horrible crime and should not be in any way condoned but until more Muslims take a stand against their brethren that are sullying the name of their religion I would not be surprised to see more reports like this one.
As to Muslims in particular, they seem to be front and center in so many conflicts around the world even though we repeatedly hear how the vast majority of them are peace loving and it is only a small minority of radicals who cause so many problems.
The best way to reign in the radicals would be for it to happen within the Muslim community. With so many moderates and so few radicals it should be doable but I don't see much of it happening. IMO, the fact it continues implies a tacit approval within the Muslim community.
This beating was a horrible crime and should not be in any way condoned but until more Muslims take a stand against their brethren that are sullying the name of their religion I would not be surprised to see more reports like this one.
I couldn't care less what the motive was. This is a terrible crime and the person who did it should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Certainly the likes of Hamas and Al Qaeda are terrorist scum of the worst sort that need to be eliminated. However it troubles me that the war on terror rhetoric stirred up in the name of fighting bad guys like that winds up demonizing all Muslims, and this woman appears to have paid the price for that. She's not the only one. There have been other murders, and many more crimes of violence against ordinary Muslim citizens.
We need to take care to distinguish between radical jihadis who attack children, whether in Gaza or in France, and ordinary Muslims like this woman, just going about her life trying to raise a family in peace.
Unless we want to wind up in a conflict with the entire Muslim world we need to react to terror from Muslim extremists by celebrating and embracing the contributions of ordinary Muslims, while simultaneously cracking down on the terrorists as hard as we can. We need not only to make that difference clear, but celebrate that difference. This is why Ground Zero should have a mosque, and why it's offensive that there was a campaign in the US to prevent one from being built there. The response to terror has to be active celebrations of unity. If it's not, more women like this one will die, and eventually, it will divide us, and pit peace abiding people against other peace abiding people, instead of all of us against the extremes.
We need to take care to distinguish between radical jihadis who attack children, whether in Gaza or in France, and ordinary Muslims like this woman, just going about her life trying to raise a family in peace.
Unless we want to wind up in a conflict with the entire Muslim world we need to react to terror from Muslim extremists by celebrating and embracing the contributions of ordinary Muslims, while simultaneously cracking down on the terrorists as hard as we can. We need not only to make that difference clear, but celebrate that difference. This is why Ground Zero should have a mosque, and why it's offensive that there was a campaign in the US to prevent one from being built there. The response to terror has to be active celebrations of unity. If it's not, more women like this one will die, and eventually, it will divide us, and pit peace abiding people against other peace abiding people, instead of all of us against the extremes.
Disgusting that this woman was beaten to death.Violence against Muslims continues in America
However, given the method of death, stay tuned for further developments.
This is an exceptionally well articulated thought. Thank you.I'll start by saying the thought of almost any kind of violence is abhorrent to me.
As to Muslims in particular, they seem to be front and center in so many conflicts around the world even though we repeatedly hear how the vast majority of them are peace loving and it is only a small minority of radicals who cause so many problems.
The best way to reign in the radicals would be for it to happen within the Muslim community. With so many moderates and so few radicals it should be doable but I don't see much of it happening. IMO, the fact it continues implies a tacit approval within the Muslim community.
This beating was a horrible crime and should not be in any way condoned but until more Muslims take a stand against their brethren that are sullying the name of their religion I would not be surprised to see more reports like this one.
Yeah it does , but she was found in her own living room, the article didn't mention anything about someone breaking and entering into her home or imply she was beaten somewhere else, no mention of property damage of any sort , if you are angry enough to beat someone with a tire iron you would probably bash something else in the house wouldn't you ?Sad thing is this murder looks like a racist act by a non-muslim.
Also, how do they know what the murder weapon was ?
And they live in a city were Iraqi immigrants are roughly 40% of the population, so why single her out ?
Article raises more questions than it answers.
EDIT:
Ok found this in another article : " The daughter was sleeping upstairs when the incident happened and when she went downstairs, “it was too late and the (attacker) was gone. The sliding glass door was broken.”
I fixed your post.I'll start by saying the thought of almost any kind of violence is abhorrent to me.
As to Americans in particular, they seem to be front and center in so many conflicts around the world even though we repeatedly hear how the vast majority of them are peace loving and it is only a small minority of radicals who cause so many problems.
The best way to reign in the radicals would be for it to happen within the American community. With so many moderates and so few radicals it should be doable but I don't see much of it happening. IMO, the fact it continues implies a tacit approval within the American community.
This shooting was a horrible crime and should not be in any way condoned but until more Americans take a stand against their brethren that are sullying the name of their nation I would not be surprised to see more reports like this one.
No problem with you drawing a parallel to my post.I fixed your post.
However your suggestion that your post is correct and mine is incorrect is itself incorrect.
Where do some people (the media) get the idea that the "vast" majority of Muslims are peacefull? An Environics poll showed that 12% of Muslims thought the actions of the nutbars that wanted to kidnap the prime minister and decapitate him on tv were justified. A PEW Research Centre poll showed that 26% of Muslims aged 18 to 30 believe that violence is often or sometimes justified. That is NOTa tiny minority.
I believe that violence is sometimes justified. Break into my home with a weapon and you'll find out! Does that make me a jihadist? I am surprised it's only 26%, I think if you asked white/Euro Canadians you would get an answer near 95%.Where do some people (the media) get the idea that the "vast" majority of Muslims are peacefull? An Environics poll showed that 12% of Muslims thought the actions of the nutbars that wanted to kidnap the prime minister and decapitate him on tv were justified. A PEW Research Centre poll showed that 26% of Muslims aged 18 to 30 believe that violence is often or sometimes justified. That is NOTa tiny minority.
That I rather doubt was the context of the question asked.I believe that violence is sometimes justified. Break into my home with a weapon and you'll find out!
The fact that she was bludgeoned to death is doubtless raising questions in the investigators' minds.Sad, poor lady. But we don't really know if it was really a hate crime, it could be that someone is smart and using the pretext, and maybe it was an "honor killing" committed by a fellow Muslim.
Having googled the survey that he failed to cite properly it's a damned sight nearer the truth than his claim.That I rather doubt was the context of the question asked.
Once again you're off base Fuji. The statistics don't lie.Certainly the likes of Hamas and Al Qaeda are terrorist scum of the worst sort that need to be eliminated. However it troubles me that the war on terror rhetoric stirred up in the name of fighting bad guys like that winds up demonizing all Muslims, and this woman appears to have paid the price for that. She's not the only one. There have been other murders, and many more crimes of violence against ordinary Muslim citizens.
We need to take care to distinguish between radical jihadis who attack children, whether in Gaza or in France, and ordinary Muslims like this woman, just going about her life trying to raise a family in peace.
Unless we want to wind up in a conflict with the entire Muslim world we need to react to terror from Muslim extremists by celebrating and embracing the contributions of ordinary Muslims, while simultaneously cracking down on the terrorists as hard as we can. We need not only to make that difference clear, but celebrate that difference. This is why Ground Zero should have a mosque, and why it's offensive that there was a campaign in the US to prevent one from being built there. The response to terror has to be active celebrations of unity. If it's not, more women like this one will die, and eventually, it will divide us, and pit peace abiding people against other peace abiding people, instead of all of us against the extremes.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...atives/hate-crime-2010-incidents-and-offenses
And there definitely should not be a mosque at Ground Zero, what was offensive is that the Muslims wanted to build one there.
You should analyze your hate crime statistics a little more closely, K Douglas. Muslims make up a little over half a percent of the US population--yet from your own statistic they were the victims of 13% of religiously motivated hate crimes. A little grade-school math says they are 22 times more likely than the average American to be a victim of a religious hate crime. For the record Jews make up a little over 2% of the US population and were the victims of 65% of the religious hate crimes, making them about 32 times more likely than average to be a victim of a religious hate crime.
Is it your view that the hate crimes against Muslims aren't so bad, because Jews are getting it even worse? That's a little twisted.
A better question is why are these two religious minorities being singled out for so much of the hate crime?
Is it your view that the hate crimes against Muslims aren't so bad, because Jews are getting it even worse? That's a little twisted.
A better question is why are these two religious minorities being singled out for so much of the hate crime?
It was. In my view, some sort of inter-faith complex should have been a centerpiece of the rebuilt ground zero, including a church, a mosque, a synagogue, in some kind of symbol of unity. The notion that ordinary non-radical Muslims should somehow be excluded from the whole ground zero area is deeply problematic. It means that fundamentally the extremists have won, they have very symbolically driven a wedge between peace loving muslims and everybody else. That's terrible.I thought it was in a building a couple blocks away.
It is one of the stated goals of Al Qaeda to create a conflict between Muslims and non-Muslims. Their doctrine is that ongoing terror attacks will lead to reprisals against Muslims and an increasing hostility between the Muslim and non-Muslim world, leading to some future war in which the Islamic caliphate is restored. That's their doctrine. It's important that we see to it they fail in that, that no such wedge is driven, and that our democraces openly welcome and embrace every peace loving person--in the case of 9/11, most especially Muslims.
