Are you serious about that? Even in light of the three existing legal cases against him?
Will you vote for Rob Ford again if he runs next Election??
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What was wrong with making the TTC and essential service? It has allowed the city the option to contract out some of the TTC services, and greatly reduced the chance of service disruptions. Many people who were abandoned and had to walk home late at night during the last strike will be happier knowing the TTC service is now more reliable.
Or is it that they are contracting out some TTC services that is the problem?
the ttc workers abused their "rights", thats what unions do I wish they would do what the hostess union did and get themselves all laid off
Conflict of interest
FAST
And steel money from the system, $3500,... with help from two union officials !!!
FAST
$3500? A trivial amount according to the Mayor's supporters and nothing to be disciplined or punished for.
I, for one disagree with them, what's your opinion FAST?
Hopefully council will be reasonable and appoint someone until the end of term and save us the cash.
And on the plus side, it would keep our plus sized ex-mayor from trying again for a while.
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When Chairman Miller took office, the City's budget was 6.5 billion
When he left, it was about 9.2 billion I believe
(9.2-6.5) / 6.5 = 41.5%
Inflation (say 2% per year)
6.5(1.02)^7 = 7.5 billion
Clearly spending under Miller was hugely outpacing inflation.
As to population growth during the reign of Miller - about 0.9%
7.5 b x 1.009 = 7.56 billion
Still doesn't add up.
Miller was an economic disaster.
I find it sad that the candidate pool still hasn't improved over the two years since Ford took office. The choices are still a bunch of half-wits and leftists.
I know what you mean.
That said I think I'll vote for the leftists over the half wits.
You know whats ironically delicious, we feel exactly the same about you Lefties :biggrin1:
Reminds me of what Mark Twain once said, "figures don't lie, but liars can figure'.
This is the kind of stuff that the American right-wingers try to pull off all the time. They take a series of unrelated facts and use them to draw absurd conclusions. Like Obama is not an American. Or, Obama is a Muslim.
All of these numbers don't add up to squat unless you can identify whether the $ was wasted. And your hero, despite the bluster, couldn't find squat.
People who support Ford's vision of Toronto as Parry Sound on Lake Ontario, look at the money Miller spent as an expense and and a waste. Others who are interested in building a better city, see this activity as investing in the future. Remember, it is Rob Ford who wants to build all of these un-viable subways for BILLIONS of dollars.
Which is the exact same thing McGuinty is. I fail to see how people can defend increasing the size of government way above the rate of inflation and the huge costs that goes along with it. It is simply not sustainable.
And for what, I didn't see a vast improvement in this city under Miller, just higher taxes and spending year after year.
I don't get the right wing. They always apply the phrase 'tax and spend' to politicians they don't agree with. Yet, what else would you do with tax revenues? Tax and save? Tax and invest? Tax and titillate?
ALL politicians tax and spend.
If you want to have a serious and adult conversation about this city and where it should be going, lose the dogma, the unrelated and tired cliches; and then do some real research into how cities work. If people aren't prepared to do that, then they're just haters and windbags-regardless of political stripe.
i've been thinking. any of the contenders look like big spenders with my money. i may support ford again. he may bumble away a few hundred million but at least he'll not spend the 10s of billions that ms. chow would. or adam vaughn. and that ttc lady!!!! omg. we would have to move out of toronto. the taxes would kill us. personally, somehow, i'd like budgetary decisions of that size left to a popular vote by those who will pay for them. home-owners. businesses. nobody on welfare or renting. now that's unlikely, so the only way to hold back sending us into bankruptcy is to re-elect ford. he may be our best choice right now.
You forgot Tax and pay down the debt.
Part of the waste was in salaries. Think the example was the city is paying a bunch of people $30/hour + benefits + pension to walk around watering the flowers in city hall. Whole floors of people paid more in involved with Toronto Community Housing. Team of social workers paid to walk around chatting up pan handlers. The $12,000 to going away parties, etc.
From your own numbers, 9.2/7.56=122%. Virtually bang on to my reference to a 20% increase net of inflation/population growth.
Also, the population growth link you provided is for 2001-2006, and not for 2003-2010.
I don't mind different opinions, but I dislike when people use fake or inaccurate figures to support their position.
Of course, but the debt is the result of an expenditure.
Also, KBear are you against ALL spending? By writing that 'part of the waste was in salaries', I am lead to believe that you want zero government, not smaller government-or do you simply want government by people who are wealthy enough to do it for free? As you know, running a city cost money.
Is there waste and excess? Sure, but this is cultural-Canadian culture. Have you ever hired a contractor to reno a kitchen? How about a financial planner to handle your savings? Or an IT guy to set up a network? Or a mechanic to find out what that rattle was in your car? I have. Never have so many tried to do so little for so much.
Have you ever watched a cop stare down a hole for $40 an hour? How about a multi-million dollar athlete who is a complete and total bust? Or a celebrity CEO who runs his company into the ground, yet collects his full pay PLUS bonus. (Or those Wall Street boys who destroyed the economy in '08 who not only kept their jobs but also got their bonuses.)
And I have worked with the largest corporations on the continent and have seen firsthand that the principle of an honest day's work for an honest dollar has been lost.
Our society is all about getting all we can get and then some for the least effort. And this attitude affects all parts of Canadian society.
