Justin Trudeau: Let's Sing Kum-Ba-Yah

[elmo]

Really, we do it all the time on TERB. Was he wrong? The US is on the edge and doing some really crazy stuff and they have the abilit top take the rest of us with them, especially Canada. He is young, but not much younger or any less experienced than our present PM at that early stage. As one pundit said he grew up in a political family, surrounded by some of Canada's elite. he's not really starting form scratch.

I have said a couple of time that it's early for him, but who else was there? It's baptism by fire time.

If the PM's opening attack ad volley is a 15 year old clip of one comment from someone barely on the national political radar screen, then their cupboards is truly bare. Maybe someone could broadcast Harpers rants about getting rid of the Senate, which he did on more than one occasion. How about the famous cowboy hat photo and asking, 'would you vote for this guy'?

Really? He is not commenting in some bullshit political forum on an escort review board, he is aspiring to be PM...do you understand the difference? I agree the alternatives for the Libs are bleak but he was touted as the second coming and party saviour...not.

The thread is about Justin Trudeau, if you want one on Harper then start one. But don't try to deflect and dilute the point of this thread - I realize this is your normal MO but do try to contain yourself.

 

[elmo]

You don't negotiate with terrorists. If they kill one of ours, we kill a hundred of theirs. It's the only thing they understand.

They do indeed, sadly this is the reason for violence of this nature.

 

[blackrock13]

Really? He is not commenting in some bullshit political forum on an escort review board, he is aspiring to be PM...do you understand the difference? I agree the alternatives for the Libs are bleak but he was touted as the second coming and party saviour...not.

The thread is about Justin Trudeau, if you want one on Harper then start one. But don't try to deflect and dilute the point of this thread - I realize this is your normal MO but do try to contain yourself.

Yes, i do understand, but the important part of the statement was the later part. Was he Wrong? You're claiming he's young and inexperienced, but my comparison was to show he wasn't either relative to the present PM. Will he be the next PM, i doubt it, unless Harper&company self implodes , but it's quite likely he may lead the official opposition.

 

[elmo]

Yes, i do understand, but the important part of the statement was the later part. Was he Wrong? You're claiming he's young and inexperienced, but my comparison was to show he wasn't either relative to the present PM. Will he be the next PM, i doubt it, unless Harper&company self implodes , but it's quite likely he may lead the official opposition.

Yes I believe he was wrong because of his inexperience. You are comparing him to a PM with a questionable record on many issues. Are you suggesting we elect more of the same? Better the devil you know...

 

[red]

You don't negotiate with terrorists. If they kill one of ours, we kill a hundred of theirs. It's the only thing they understand.

they understand that but still do it.

 

[groggy]

You don't negotiate with terrorists. If they kill one of ours, we kill a hundred of theirs. It's the only thing they understand.

Can you find one example of a place where this tactic worked?
Otherwise its bullshit.

 

[Insidious Von]

You don't negotiate with terrorists. If they kill one of ours, we kill a hundred of theirs. It's the only thing they understand.

Excellent logic, I commend you.

I had my family tree pruned by the Gestapo's anti-partisan measures. For every German killed by a partisan attack they killed twenty Italians. It worked out swimmingly for the Nazis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whJjlOnG5TE

 

[Moviefan-2]

Jonathan Kay at the National Post has a great piece on how Trudeau's touchy-feely foolishness about terrorism will do more harm to his reputation than the Tories' attack ads.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...s-will-hurt-him-more-than-any-tory-attack-ad/

Here is one excellent quote from the article:

The worst aspect of what Trudeau said isn’t that it is wrong: In some nominal talk-therapy sense, almost all violent criminals feel “excluded” and “at war with innocents.” And it often is an interesting exercise to try to understand how sick minds become radicalized. The real problem here is Trudeau’s tired vagueness: The mental process seemed to consist of plucking clichés at random from out of a Chrétien-era archive marked “Canadian foreign policy, pre-9/11.” If it had been just one word or sentence that was inappropriate, Trudeau could apologize, recast his remarks, and move on. But you can’t walk back a whole paragraph of obsolete drivel: They apparently represent how he actually thinks — or doesn’t think — about terrorism.

 

[omegaphallic]

Personally I think his unjust and dishonest attack on the NDP over the charter was the far worse crime.

http://www.ndp.ca/news/history-101

Norman Spector also pointed out it was the Liberals who used the war measures act, not the NDP so once again Justin has egg on his face.

As Justin being leader of the official opposition, when the media construct of Trudeaumania starts to crumble hell be back in third, because all the support for Justin is based on a fantasy and when that fantasy crumbles so too will Justin's popularity in the polls both on the right and the left.

Btw when Mulcair was elected the NDP had ads out right away. The Liberals seem to be dithering on this, can they really afford that?

 

[userz]

Of course the NDP never invoked the War Measures Act. That was only something a government could do, something Canadians have never entrusted to the NDP. By the way I noticed that on the page you linked to that the role of Roy Romanow in the creation and adoption of the Charter is curiously omitted, why could that possibly be? :wink:

 

[blackrock13]

Yes I believe he was wrong because of his inexperience. You are comparing him to a PM with a questionable record on many issues. Are you suggesting we elect more of the same? Better the devil you know...

They're only similar in age and past experience, but that's where the similarity stops. They are definitely tow different people/politicians

 

[wigglee]

You don't negotiate with terrorists. If they kill one of ours, we kill a hundred of theirs. It's the only thing they understand.

and how is that tried and true method working for us??????????????????????? ... kill one and you create 10 more.

 

[wigglee]

Jonathan Kay at the National Post has a great piece on how Trudeau's touchy-feely foolishness about terrorism will do more harm to his reputation than the Tories' attack ads.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...s-will-hurt-him-more-than-any-tory-attack-ad/

Here is one excellent quote from the article:

so he loses the war mongering neanderthal vote......big whoop.

 

[Moviefan-2]

so he loses the war mongering neanderthal vote......big whoop.

It may be that nobody else cares that he's a total dunce. But I wouldn't bet on it.

 

[omegaphallic]

so he loses the war mongering neanderthal vote......big whoop.

If Justin's starts losing his rightwing vote then his poll numbers start to drop, his numbers start to drop and he loses the sense of momentum that helped cause his poll numbers to spiral upwards, this causes fractures in the fantasy in which he's in over his head can fester, this in turn drives his poll numbers lower which eventually shatters the fantasy completely, this then insures that Justin's polling numbers continue to spiral down in a cycle just as his popularity was born by a spiraling cycle upwards based on positive self reinforcing numbers and a media spin that utilized his polling numbers to in turn push his poll numbers higher.

In simpler terms it could burst the Trudeaumania bubble and we all return to reality.

 

[elmo]

so he loses the war mongering neanderthal vote......big whoop.

Based on the last election, he needs every vote he can find. You sound like he has an overwhelming amount of support.

 

[omegaphallic]

Another thought, Justin has more to lose then Harper, because Harper's well established so looking like an asshole is no big deal because everyone already knows Harper's an asshole so no news there.

Justin's built his castle on a foundation of sand, he's popular but for shallow reasons which means its a bubble that can burst at anytime.

This feeds into the meme of Trudeau in over his head.

So Justin takes a hit at a vulnerible time and Harper looks like an asshole a ship that sailed long ago.

 

[fuji]

The L's "win" this election if they can return to 2nd party status. That's really what they have to achieve, it's their survival that is at stake. I don't think the C's will lose an election until Harper resigns.

 

[Moviefan-2]

The L's "win" this election if they can return to 2nd party status. That's really what they have to achieve, it's their survival that is at stake. I don't think the C's will lose an election until Harper resigns.

I think you're right. Despite what current polls suggest, I don't see Trudeau winning the next election.

But if he becomes leader of the opposition, he would be well positioned to win the PM's chair in his second election, particularly if Harper is gone at that point.

 

[omegaphallic]

It appear Justin is sing kum-ba-ya...with Steven Harper.

He's sided with the Tories on both S-7 and the FIPA.

He also ditched his own Private Member Motion, his first one btw.