Jethro's economic plan
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Paying people with government dollars to do something that is no more useful than sitting around twiddling their thumbs is hardly a good use of public resources -- particularly when the subsidies are killing real jobs.Green jobs are the Future. Dirty jobs are the past. Get with it.
From a pure economics point of view, subsidizing development of green industries will have a long term benefit for Ontario and Canada. As more people support green products, we'll be in a great position to lead the field.
Of course that assumes that the Federal government doesn't undermine that progress.
Of course that assumes that the Federal government doesn't undermine that progress.
When it comes to the green energy sector, the province's former auditor general didn't hold that view.From a pure economics point of view, subsidizing development of green industries will have a long term benefit for Ontario and Canada.
http://www.auditor.on.ca/en/news_en/11_newsreleases/2011news_3.03.pdf
He called for a cost-benefit analysis to be conducted, something that McGuinty and Wynne refused to do. For obvious reasons.
Any cost benefit analysis has a focus. I'd be in favour of stimulating the research and industrial development of green technologies over subsidizing installation of solar panels. More houses being 'green' has limited impact. Making Ontario a center for high tech green development would set us up well in the future.
Not sure what you're talking about, but I did think this tweet that Lorrie Goldstein posted 12 hours ago makes sense:Have you noticed everybody laughing at Hudaks plan? Lorrie Goldstein ffs.
Any politician who wants to 'create' jobs in Ontario has to get hydro (electricity) file under control. Way better than subsidizing jobs.
Fair enough. However, the "green jobs" in the Star editorial was a specific reference to wind and solar subsidies.Any cost benefit analysis has a focus. I'd be in favour of stimulating the research and industrial development of green technologies over subsidizing installation of solar panels. More houses being 'green' has limited impact. Making Ontario a center for high tech green development would set us up well in the future.
Underpaid???Teachers seriously underpaid based on all similar job catagories with one degree plus professional training. Lovey WAS a maybe 5% er now retired.
Are you saying teachers do not generate value added to the province? Very limited view their JL. If you think education is expensive try ignorance.
They pay teachers a lot less in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama.... good idea?
Your on glue
One in a thousand teachers could command $83 K in the private sector
83K is lot to pay a grade two teacher to lead figure painting for 9 months out of twelve
No wonder Ont is broke
I posted in one of your old anti-teacher tirades that their pay is in line with non-union Canadian teachers as well as their closest non-education sector comparisons, corporate trainers.Underpaid???
Your on glue
One in a thousand teachers could command $83 K in the private sector
83K is lot to pay a grade two teacher to lead figure painting for 9 months out of twelve
No wonder Ont is broke
1. Private schools ?, So why do have a public school system if there is no cost efficiency?, Flood the market with 200,000 public school teachers and watch those salaries dropI posted in one of your old anti-teacher tirades that their pay is in line with non-union Canadian teachers as well as their closest non-education sector comparisons, corporate trainers.
2. Corporate trainers work more than 9 1/2 months a year, work a full day, do not have indexed pensions and would not dare to pull the shit those weasels pulled in 2013, they would have been fired
3. How may corps trainer jobs are there in Ont 500 - 1,000 ? That is weak comparison
Now way could teachers make the an average of $83K in the private sector. So why is the taxpayer extorted into paying 20% in excess, when the province is broke
What garbage. Who exactly do you expect to be teaching all those kids? Yes, if there were no children then teachers will be out of a job. Until then...1. Private schools ?, So why do have a public school system if there is no cost efficiency?, Flood the market with 200,000 public school teachers and watch those salaries drop
Actually many corporate trainers work far less than 9 months. As to how many of theme there are, it has to do with how many people need training. If there were 2 million employees in Ontario requiring regular training, there'd likely be something like 200,000 trainers.2. Corporate trainers work more than 9 1/2 months a year, work a full day, do not have indexed pensions and would not dare to pull the shit those weasels pulled in 2013, they would have been fired
3. How may corps trainer jobs are there in Ont 500 - 1,000 ? That is weak comparison
Now way could teachers make the an average of $83K in the private sector. So why is the taxpayer extorted into paying 20% in excess, when the province is broke
Your whole line of argument is a joke.
And as for the pension, according to an article in the Walrus last fall, the teachers pension is funded primarily by the money managers they hired.
larue, i know that you are an earnest defender of right wing dogma, but if you want to be taken seriously on this board, which i think is what you want, you will refrain from posting utter tripe like you have on the above post..Underpaid???
Your on glue
One in a thousand teachers could command $83 K in the private sector
83K is lot to pay a grade two teacher to lead figure painting for 9 months out of twelve
No wonder Ont is broke
1. Oh do we need to spell this out for you again?What garbage. Who exactly do you expect to be teaching all those kids? Yes, if there were no children then teachers will be out of a job. Until then...
Actually many corporate trainers work far less than 9 months. As to how many of theme there are, it has to do with how many people need training. If there were 2 million employees in Ontario requiring regular training, there'd likely be something like 200,000 trainers.
Your whole line of argument is a joke.
And as for the pension, according to an article in the Walrus last fall, the teachers pension is funded primarily by the money managers they hired.
If not public school system , then private schools, however no union, therefore no $83K +
2. Not that many corps have a corporate trainer, let a lone a staff of them
Like I said 500 -1000 maybe
Where you get 200,000 making $83K + a year (for 9 months work) ????
come on, time to apply a little common sense here
2. If corporate trainer work less than 9 months , they sure as hell get their pay pro-rated
No the only thing separating teachers from a fair and equitable (lower) compensation is an aggressive union and two premiers who did not have the balls to do the right thing
This will blow up in a few years time ( higher interest rates) & there will be carnage for both the taxpayer & the teachers
Please point specifically any inaccurate factslarue, i know that you are an earnest defender of right wing dogma, but if you want to be taken seriously on this board, which i think is what you want, you will refrain from posting utter tripe like you have on the above post..
1. Does the average grade two teacher get 83K_ ? Yes or No - Yes
2. Can teachers command $83K + in private sector ? Yes or No- No
3. Does a teacher work 9 1/2 months out of 12 ? Yes o No ? Yes
4. Is Ontario broke ? Yes or No - Well on its way
5. Are teachers underpaid ? Yes or No - Many have defended their excessive comp, LoveHobby is first to say they are underpaid
Tripe ? No
Facts - Yes
Does a teacher require a BA + at least 1 now 2 years of professional training 6 years total?
Is the competitivrness of the nation depend on them?
Did the public not the teachers demand the present holiday arrangements. ?
Do teachers make less than every profession with similar education demands? Yes.
Is the competitivrness of the nation depend on them?
Did the public not the teachers demand the present holiday arrangements. ?
Do teachers make less than every profession with similar education demands? Yes.
it was a 3 year BA & a year at clown collegeDoes a teacher require a BA + at least 1 now 2 years of professional training 6 years total?
That is what the average teachers qualification are
based upon the graduates they are producing I certainly hope notIs the competitivenessess of the nation depend on them?
NoDid the public not the teachers demand the present holiday arrangements. ?
The 9 1/2 month school year is based upon the historical need for farmers to have their children available for the growing season
Hardly relevant in todays urbanized economy
Partial solution, run the school year round, make them earn that $83K _.
Fewer teachers require though
A three year BA & a year of clown college?Do teachers make less than every profession with similar education demands? Yes.
83K + and 2 1/2 months vacation ?????
Absolutely not
Not on salary
Not on vacation
Not on Benefits
you do not have a clue about the private sector do you?
4 year BA and 2 years professional training now required try to keep up. You really have no clue about education do you?
Canada a world leader in education. Only nation on the planet with over 50% post secondary education.
Try ho advocate removing even one week of holidays. John Snobelen tried. Parents and recreation industry landed on him like a ton of bricks. The public wants the school holidays exactly as they are.
Canada a world leader in education. Only nation on the planet with over 50% post secondary education.
Try ho advocate removing even one week of holidays. John Snobelen tried. Parents and recreation industry landed on him like a ton of bricks. The public wants the school holidays exactly as they are.
You are confusing that with a BMA.it was a 3 year BA & a year at clown college
?
Remember that only one of of those degrees gives you useful skills and knowledge.
