Mayoral Candidate Soknacki: Derail The Stupid Train

[MattRoxx]

Cheaper? Lrt no tax increase money there now.

faster? Lrt built in half the time.

service? Lrt 7 stations not 3

duh.

The image showing the 3 stop subway VS 7 stop LRT here is incredible.
http://torontoist.com/2014/01/david-soknacki-wants-to-restore-the-scarborough-light-rail-plan/

It covers so much more area, I don't understand why Scarberian transit users would want the more expensive inferior option.

 

[Anbarandy]

The image showing the 3 stop subway VS 7 stop LRT here is incredible.
http://torontoist.com/2014/01/david-soknacki-wants-to-restore-the-scarborough-light-rail-plan/

It covers so much more area, I don't understand why Scarberian transit users would want the more expensive inferior option.

Thanks for the link.

They were brainwashed into believing that they DESERVE a subway.

 

[K Douglas]

LRT leads to traffic congestion, subways reduce it. Subways are faster and can carry more people. Yes it takes longer to build and more expensive but long run savings are superior.

Unlike many European cities who have been building LRT, Toronto is a large geographic metropolis. Not suitable as a primary option it is nothing more than a band aid.

My bet is Soknacki doesn't even finish the race. Just like Gino Boy last time.

 

[wigglee]

The "Stupid train" will raise your taxes and service less people and less neigbourhoods.....but the right wing Ford nation types are still "all aboard!" HMMMMMM...

 

[Moviefan-2]

....but the right wing Ford nation types are still "all aboard!" HMMMMMM...

See posts 19 and 20.

 

[Jennifer_]

Regarding the Scarboro subway extension you can also add, Stintz, De Baeremaeker, Kelly, Thompson and all those other councilors and MPPs from Scarboro who supported the wasteful STUPID TRAIN.

Even cho...

I understand why Scarborough councillors jumped on the train- Ford is loud and his slogans are easy to digest for people who don't pay attention (which is most people)

They had no choice but surrender... (That-said Ainslie looked out for his Scarborough constituents despite the simple sound bites....)

I've watched all the debates- I've heard the analysis from city staff- this is nothing but a waste!

But ford is loud and he lacks enough dignity to not spew bald face lies.. he knows the media will try to air both sides (a la cp24- even when they know how ridiculous and false the lies are... The media tries so hard to be impartial that they don't call out people on their lies (well the star does... But people have a problem with investigative journalism apparently....)

the opposing side just isn't as effective- even when they are right...)and people like easy answers... No one has effectively debunked ford's bullshit.

Maybe Soknacki will be able to.

Someone here said Tory wouldn't run and I'm starting to agree.

Stintz can kiss my shaweet bum because she is just as ugly as ford for buying votes....

I like Olivia but I dunno if she could represent the whole city- right now I think we need someone who unites us...

For now I am cheering for Soknacki to make TRUTH a catchy sound bite.

 

[Jennifer_]

I believe that is to build them - I can't understand why it would cost anymore to service a subway than an above ground option.

... Subway stations cost money to maintain.

Hydro? Cleaning staff? Elevators/ escalators? Toll collectors? Security? Real estate? Above ground routes that will run to get people to the three stops? (Ie there will still be buses....). Etc.

 

[Butler1000]

... Subway stations cost money to maintain.

Hydro? Cleaning staff? Elevators/ escalators? Toll collectors? Security? Real estate? Above ground routes that will run to get people to the three stops? (Ie there will still be buses....). Etc.

And none of this happens with seven stations? Numbers are fuzzy. How is there less staff. Less buses. It will be a wash.

As well as the over time when it breaks down in bad weather. And it will. Look at the RT now. After what 25-30 years its toast. Sorry ladies and gentlemen. You will never convince me that an LRT is a better option in the long run over a subway. Ever.

 

[Jennifer_]

The don't get it that Subways are a better form of transit period (or only want the DRL and screw the suburbs). Oh s well to close that loop.

The DRL would benefit the burbs more than anyone.

 

[Jennifer_]

And none of this happens with seven stations? Numbers are fuzzy. How is there less staff. Less buses. It will be a wash.

As well as the over time when it breaks down in bad weather. And it will. Look at the RT now. After what 25-30 years its toast. Sorry ladies and gentlemen. You will never convince me that an LRT is a better option in the long run over a subway. Ever.

Ummm... There's no cost to maintain subway stations when they don't exist (like they wouldn't with the LRT)

And google the life span of Lrts.
Don't believe the lies ford has fed you.

 

[Butler1000]

The "Stupid train" will raise your taxes and service less people and less neigbourhoods.....but the right wing Ford nation types are still "all aboard!" HMMMMMM...

Less neighbourhoods? It will give subway access to a whole section of the city north of the 401. Save about 15-20 commute one way easy (I know, I lived in the area before). This is a lie. Pure and simple. It will just service a different neighbourhood. And more efficieantly. Honestly it isn't about walkability. Its about feeder bus routes. That's the nature of the game in the suburbs.

3 stops to Sheppard. Connect the loop from leslie. Put in a raised express line down the Don valley to Bloor. Connect. Then it continues as the DRL to Queen and across. That is what makes sense.

 

[Butler1000]

Ummm... There's no cost to maintain subway stations when they don't exist (like they wouldn't with the LRT)

So the lrt won't have stations? Tell me how it isn't a glorified streetcar then. And I'm sure all those people will love standing outside waiting in bad weather.

I know the route Jenn. Ever ridden the RT? Got off at Ellesmere? Its down a long unlit industrial road under an overpass. Sure that will be tempting to the students. The bus doesn't even stop at the station. You have to walk up to the street to get it. Super nice! Go ride the route and see the issues. Then take the bus from kennedy station to sheppard(any route) during rush hour. Or take the RT from kennedy to scarborough town. Then try to get across the 401 from there to Sheppard.

Bring a book

You don't understand how it works. I don't care about dallas or San Diego or somewhere in Europe. Its Scarborough. With its own unique challenges. Subway to bus feeder routes is the best way. Shorter bustrips with a few more stations. Safer, nicer and takes less time because you are reducing time in traffic, time spent transfering, all of it.

I challenge you to try to take the routes. And still say no large transit is needed to cross the 401.

Enjoy the packed buses.

 

[fuji]

So the lrt won't have stations?

Subway stations are spectacularly more expensive than LRT stations for reasons that should be so obvious that it seems you are trolling. Think about the platform, signaling, tracks, tunnels. Duh.

Tell me how it isn't a glorified streetcar then. And I'm sure all those people will love standing outside waiting in bad weather.

No one in their right mind prefers a bus to a streetcar, never mind an LRT. The only people who claim to prefer streetcars are drivers who never take them.

I know the route Jenn. Ever ridden the RT? Got off at Ellesmere?

As yes I have used ellesmere. It is infinitely better than a bus.

 

[boodog]

Even cho...

I understand why Scarborough councillors jumped on the train- Ford is loud and his slogans are easy to digest for people who don't pay attention (which is most people)

They had no choice but surrender... (That-said Ainslie looked out for his Scarborough constituents despite the simple sound bites....)

I've watched all the debates- I've heard the analysis from city staff- this is nothing but a waste!

But ford is loud and he lacks enough dignity to not spew bald face lies.. he knows the media will try to air both sides (a la cp24- even when they know how ridiculous and false the lies are... The media tries so hard to be impartial that they don't call out people on their lies (well the star does... But people have a problem with investigative journalism apparently....)

the opposing side just isn't as effective- even when they are right...)and people like easy answers... No one has effectively debunked ford's bullshit.

Maybe Soknacki will be able to.

Someone here said Tory wouldn't run and I'm starting to agree.

Stintz can kiss my shaweet bum because she is just as ugly as ford for buying votes....

I like Olivia but I dunno if she could represent the whole city- right now I think we need someone who unites us...

For now I am cheering for Soknacki to make TRUTH a catchy sound bite.

Don't have confidence Chow will reject Scarborough Subways?

 

[MattRoxx]

The Scarborough subway is already above ground, ie the Danforth line east of Main.
It doesn't interfere with road traffic. And for this rider it is much preferable to be above ground than in a dark tunnel.

So the lrt won't have stations? Tell me how it isn't a glorified streetcar then. And I'm sure all those people will love standing outside waiting in bad weather.

And the subway is a glorified underground streetcar. I don't see the point of saying that.

The subway will require more people to stand outside waiting for connecting buses to get to and from the subway stations. Take another look at the map. The LRT covers a lot more area than the subway. And costs a lot less.
It's the obvious choice for people who actually rely on public transit.

 

[Butler1000]

The Scarborough subway is already above ground, ie the Danforth line east of Main.
It doesn't interfere with road traffic. And for this rider it is much preferable to be above ground than in a dark tunnel.

And the subway is a glorified underground streetcar. I don't see the point of saying that.

The subway will require more people to stand outside waiting for connecting buses to get to and from the subway stations. Take another look at the map. The LRT covers a lot more area than the subway. And costs a lot less.
It's the obvious choice for people who actually rely on public transit.

Your missing points here. Several.

Transfer times: a person could go from downtown to McCowan and Sheppard direct no stop in about 22-24 minutes with a subway(it takes 18 to Kennedy now) and catch a feeder bus along that route either at Lawrence, Scarborough town Centre or Sheppard to home with a direct transfer under cover.
Or: take the 18 minutes to Kennedy. Tranfer there to LRT(you have to go up about 5 stories at the Station) wait for LRT(? Time) then twice as many stops to get to your feeder route and in many cases walk stand outside for it. Adds 20+ to almost all commutes with an extra transfer thrown in.
It isn't about the what 10000 supposed within walking distance. But the 100000 saved a transfer and 20+ minutes commute time one way. And bringing all those citizens north of the 401 within subway reach.

I lived at Islington and bloor. Time downtown by subway: 22 minutes tops to Bloor/Yonge. Now I take the Streetcar(queen car). Same distance from Islington to queen and yonge.:45 minutes MINIMUM on a clear day with no traffic and hardy any passangers. Seriously.

When the streetcar breaks down or is shut down for maintenance it takes LESS time by bus. I just did it for 2 months when they replaced the stops on lakeshore for the new cars. All the passangers were commenting on it.

You will NEVER convince me that LRT is better than Subway. Best you can hope for is routes. And this route as someone who lived all over the city makes sense.

 

[Butler1000]

Ok Anbarandy. Let's look at a few other things. 1 billion over thirty years for the 3 stations right? Well as the RT will be cancelled let's minus whatever it costs to maintain that. Oops. Bit lower now.

Next let's examine the very fact you are using financials to argue. Well I seem to remember you decrying the privatization of the garbage. Now from what I heard it will save about 20 million+ per year to do the east side of yonge over 30 years. That's 600 mllion dollars! So you are against servicing good transit but for overpaying for garbage collection? Hmmmmm

As well I haven't heard a peep over the Greg Sorbara led Miller endorsed subway extention to Vaughn. How much will that cost to maintain? And in fact won't it be Toronto Taxpayers subsidizing subway service to another city? Where is the vitrol there? The outcry? None. Why?

Because you are a hypocrite. You hate Ford. So anything he touches you hate. Even when it is a good thing. You have no credibility. Your ridiculous posts rank with Love Hobby.

You speak of cheap slogans, and end your posts with bolded "stop the stupid train".

This subway should go through. And if I'm right and the feds come up with more money to extend the Sheppard subway to connect the loop this will become THE issue of the 2014 municipal election. Whoever supports it. Wins it.

 

[Moviefan-2]

Even cho...

I understand why Scarborough councillors jumped on the train- Ford is loud and his slogans are easy to digest for people who don't pay attention (which is most people)

They had no choice but surrender... (That-said Ainslie looked out for his Scarborough constituents despite the simple sound bites....)

The provincial Liberals weren't under any pressure to follow Ford's lead. I think the polls told them that voters prefer subways.

 

[groggy]

This subway should go through. And if I'm right and the feds come up with more money to extend the Sheppard subway to connect the loop this will become THE issue of the 2014 municipal election. Whoever supports it. Wins it.

In the big picture, Ford killed transit city, a plan to service most of the city with affordable and workable transit and gave us 3 subway stops for $1 billion.
If you were really worried about servicing areas of the city that have been ignored then you should be totally outraged by Ford's work.

 

[oldjones]

This is why nothing ever gets done in Toronto. Gardner, transit etc...all delayed for years because there is no direction that all can agree on or at least live with. This same debate will be happening years from now. How do other cities continue to move forward and ours is mired in debates, studies and policies that are constantly reversed? Toronto is not the world class city some think it is, its a dysfunctional mess.

Hey, we're only 25 years old, and still learning as we go. Gotta remember we were all just jammed into one city against all the best advice and against our solid majority opinion, with nary a plan or suggestion how to make it work.

Like you say, maybe it doesn't work and we should cut the 'burbs and the burg apart. Back then, before Harris improved things, we actually could decide on big projects and get the shovels in the ground.

Or we could reject the known misfit loner whose entire lying promise for the City is being 'the cheapest ever', and look for intelligent candidates who speak hard truths, make promises—like city-wide transit—worth paying for, and who are willing to work with others to get them accomplished. But that would take more attention to politics than most Toronto voters have shown they're willing to apply.

We elected a lying incompetent criminal do-nothing without any plans, or work-record, who promised subways for all paid for with magic gravy and so far has delivered only a few 'free' plastic bags and a couple of (surprise! surprise) tax-hikes for all the unproductive hoorah he's raised. We don't get to complain about our Council not getting things done, or acting like no one's in charge.

We set it up.