Religious Idiots Against The New Sex Ed. Curriculum

[basketcase]

Daily Show on the same issue a couple weeks ago.

http://www.thecomedynetwork.ca/shows/thedailyshow?vid=546123
from 9:50-15:00 in the video.

 

[twizz]

"I don't understand the argument that parents get to decide what their kids are taught in schools."

You have comprehension issues

 

[shakenbake]

I don't understand the argument that parents get to decide what their kids are taught in schools. The world does not revolve around shallow minds and outdated religious ideology.

"Parents have the right to pull their children from sex-ed classes, but it’s a “real rarity,” said Bob Schreader, vice-president of the Ontario Catholic School Trustees’ Association. That group and the Institute for Catholic Education supported the curriculum throughout its development.

“As a Catholic community, we’re going to ensure our children get that information, but we are going to do it through a Catholic lens,” Mr. Schreader said. He said parents’ concerns can often be allayed by talking to teachers instead of pulling their children from classes."

 

[MattRoxx]

So if schools started to teach children that blacks are inferior or that Jews don't deserve to live, the parents don't get a say in what crap is being fed into their children's brains?

I get what you are trying to say in this specific instance, but you made a very dangerous generalization.

A teacher espousing those views would not only be fired, but also charged with hate crimes.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...egstra-dead-at-the-age-of-80/article19155171/

 

[AdamH]

last i heard there was a poll that said 80% of parents were against the new sex ed..... guess i am in the 80% and my kids have left school and i am not very religious

I would say that has more to do with how effective the opposition has been at spreading misinformation.

Perhaps you might find it in yourself to detail EXACTLY what you find inappropriate about this curriculum?

 

[good to go]

First off I am not religious. I believe that parents should have a say in the raising of their kids, not the school or the govt the same way we say stay out of our bedrooms. We all grew up with the existing sex education and we turned out ok. Their is always someone preaching their beliefs on other in the name of the right for their own agenda. I just don't agree with this new model.

 

[destillat]

First off I am not religious. I believe that parents should have a say in the raising of their kids, not the school or the govt the same way we say stay out of our bedrooms. We all grew up with the existing sex education and we turned out ok. Their is always someone preaching their beliefs on other in the name of the right for their own agenda. I just don't agree with this new model.

Yeah, and we all grew up before the internet... you know, that thing that can turn one nude photo into a virus that is seen by tens of thousands of people in a matter of hours.

 

[AK-47]

I don't understand the argument that parents get to decide what their kids are taught in schools. The world does not revolve around shallow minds and outdated religious ideology

Totally disagree!!

I'm definitely not religious, and I'll be damned if other adults are gonna teach my kids about sex. Especially not at that age. I was never taught sex as a child, and believe me I eventually figured things out on my own. No need for sex-ed class, TYVM

 

[herbnessman]

First Graders? I'm fairly sure one can find a lot of parents who are saying, hold on a moment.

It is vague comments like this that the opposition latches on to and then extrapolates into, "They are teaching my 6 year old about gay anal sex!"

The curriculum is teaching 6 year olds how to say no to to creepy Uncle Joe who wants to have "fun play time" in the shed. I am sure creepy Uncle joe is among the most vocal opponents of course.

 

[oldjones]

Totally disagree!!

I'm definitely not religious, and I'll be damned if other adults are gonna teach my kids about sex. Especially not at that age. I was never taught sex as a child, and believe me I eventually figured things out on my own. No need for sex-ed class, TYVM

So you say. But all sorts of offenders, malefactors and convicted criminals use the same self-serving logic.

As an argument advocating what's best for society, your 'success' only works if you're one of the minimally competent. If you had superior gifts, then treating everyone like you would leave the majority uninformed, uneducated and entirely at risk of offending or being victimized. To say nothing of becoming infected, pregnant, or witless fathers.

 

[trtinajax]

I have a question about the new sex curriculum. Was the sexting portion of this document written by the former Deputy Director of Education who is now supposedly going to plead guilty next month to charges involving child pornography? Is this section an instruction manual on how to actually participate in sexting? Are the children given numbers where their sexting should be sent? After all Liberals do say they are entitled to their entitlements.

 

[canada-man]

it is based on two 13 year old 8th grade girls

 

[AK-47]

So you say. But all sorts of offenders, malefactors and convicted criminals use the same self-serving logic

Huh?? What do criminals have to do with the point I was making??

 

[IM469]

Totally disagree!!

I'm definitely not religious, and I'll be damned if other adults are gonna teach my kids about sex. Especially not at that age. I was never taught sex as a child, and believe me I eventually figured things out on my own. No need for sex-ed class, TYVM

So basically you acknowledge you had no clue but that is the way you would like to send your kids out into the world. Totally naive about sex, pedophiles, changes occurring to their body because their parents treat sex as dark evil never to be discussed ?

 

[oldjones]

Huh?? What do criminals have to do with the point I was making??

All those folks imagine they knew better about 'how to behave' than anything they were taught.

Which was your point as I read it.

 

[AK-47]

So basically you acknowledge you had no clue but that is the way you would like to send your kids out into the world. Totally naive about sex, pedophiles, changes occurring to their body because their parents treat sex as dark evil never to be discussed ?

Just so we're clear, I only have a problem with the bolded red parts below. Of course I have no problem with street proofing kids against pedo creeps:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...ith-the-updated-sex-education-curriculum.html

What Ontario students will learn in new sex-ed classes

The Ontario government has unveiled the first update to the province’s sex education curriculum since 1998.

Premier Kathleen Wynne has vowed that the updated curriculum will be in place in public and Catholic schools this September.

“We’re very committed to this,” Wynne told reporters on Monday.

The changes will impact students from Grade 1 to Grade 12.

Grade 1

Students in Grade 1 will be taught the proper names for body parts – something child-abuse investigators have long urged.

They will also learn how to recognize non-verbal signals, such as facial expressions and tone of voice, to better communicate with others.

Grade 2

In Grade 2, students will learn about bodily changes and development, verbal and physical violence, and the concept that “no means no.”

Grades 3-4

Grade 3 students will learn about same-sex relationships, while the physical, emotional and social impacts of puberty will move from Grade 5 to Grade 4.

Grades 5-6

In Grade 5, students will continue learning about puberty, including menstruation and spermatogenesis, and how these processes relate to reproduction.

Students in Grade 6 will learn about masturbation and “gender expression.” They will also be educated on how to build healthy relationships and consent.

Grades 7-8

In Grades 7-8, students will learn about the dangers of “sexting.”

They will also discuss contraception, anal and oral sex, and ways to prevent pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections.

Grades 9-10

Teaching materials on mental health, previously relegated to older grades, will be introduced in Grade 9. Grade 9 students will also explore gender identity, sexual orientation and the resources available for support.

In Grade 10, students will continue to learn what factors influence sexual decision-making, including personal values, peer and family expectations, and media messages.

Under the current sex education program, Grades 9 and 10 students focus on promoting healthy sexuality, preventing sexually transmitted infections, and identifying the stages of sexuality.

Grades 11-12

Similarly to the existing program, students in Grades 11 and 12 will focus on how to use decision-making skills to create healthy relationships.

They will also learn about reducing the stigma around mental illness, and taking proactive health measures

All those folks imagine they knew better about 'how to behave' than anything they were taught.

Which was your point as I read it

Sorry, I have no clue what you're trying to say

 

[GameBoy27]

First off I am not religious. I believe that parents should have a say in the raising of their kids, not the school or the govt the same way we say stay out of our bedrooms. We all grew up with the existing sex education and we turned out ok. Their is always someone preaching their beliefs on other in the name of the right for their own agenda. I just don't agree with this new model.

Teaching kids that masturbation or being attracted to the same sex is natural, that you can become pregnant or contract STIs without protection is preaching their beliefs on others in the name of the right for their own agenda?

I'm definitely not religious, and I'll be damned if other adults are gonna teach my kids about sex. Especially not at that age. I was never taught sex as a child, and believe me I eventually figured things out on my own. No need for sex-ed class, TYVM

Yeah, because things are the same now as they were 30-40 years ago. This is exactly why it shouldn't be left up to parents.

The reason we shouldn't leave sex education up to parents is because many parents simply don't have a clue when it comes to this stuff. It was so evident when I heard ignorant parents call in to a local radio show yesterday. "I don't want no school teaching my son about the gays" and "Why the hell do they want to teach kids about sexting? That'll just make them want to do it" were just a couple of them.

Then I heard a female now in her late 20's who said she knew she was gay growing up but thought there was something wrong with her. She even attempted suicide at one point. She said looking back, had she been taught that being gay is normal and not just a choice at a young age it would have made such a difference to her self esteem and may have prevented her from attempting suicide.

Considering how uncomfortable it is for parents and children to have the "talk", it only makes sense to have it taught in school. Especially since you have to have many talks as your children grow up. I would imagine many parents simply avoid it for just that reason.

Just because people head down to Queen's Park to protest the curriculum and how it should be left up to parents, doesn't mean the vast majority of kids learn what they need to know.

 

[destillat]

I was 12 years old in grade 6... at that point I had discovered masturbation about 5 or 6 years ago... why do you have a problem with children learning about masturbation in grade 6?

 

[AdamH]

I have a question about the new sex curriculum. Was the sexting portion of this document written by the former Deputy Director of Education who is now supposedly going to plead guilty next month to charges involving child pornography? Is this section an instruction manual on how to actually participate in sexting? Are the children given numbers where their sexting should be sent? After all Liberals do say they are entitled to their entitlements.

They're teaching about sexting (or the act of sending visually explicit images by cell phone) in grade 7.. Despite what you've been tricked into believing.. This isn't an instructional "how to" class. It's a class that will discuss the dangers associated with such behaviour.

Most 12 year olds will already be well aware of the practice of sending lewd images by cell phone.. Teaching them about how it's a bad idea is not the same as teaching them HOW TO DO IT. There's no portion of the curriculum which teaches children "how to sext safely".

 

[herbnessman]

Just so we're clear, I only have a problem with the bolded red parts below. Of course I have no problem with street proofing kids against pedo creeps:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...ith-the-updated-sex-education-curriculum.html




Sorry, I have no clue what you're trying to say

No problem then. I suppose if you want your kids to be redneck homophobes you can retrain them at home.