And so are feelings. Do you have a point other than you are afraid of gays and trans people?
After A Sexual Encounter You Find She's Transgender....
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Sorry to be so blunt but that is a stupid example.
There is no legal principle of self-identifying age (except in SP adds).
As I said before, if you want to hook up with someone who is so manly that you feel the need to ask, maybe you're into the idea.
The whole tgirl lying thing does not make sense anyway.
There is a big demand for tgirl escorts WITH cocks. A "pre-op" tgirl escort with cock will command far more cash than a "post-op" one. There is a very small supply of passable and functional pre-op tgirls.
Once she's post-op, she's competing with thousands on thousands of genetic females and she has no advantage. Odds are, she won't be able to compete at all with genetic female escorts.
In short, if you're a tgirl and you want to make money in the sex biz, you need and keep the unit. Chopping it off is counter-productive.
There is a big demand for tgirl escorts WITH cocks. A "pre-op" tgirl escort with cock will command far more cash than a "post-op" one. There is a very small supply of passable and functional pre-op tgirls.
Once she's post-op, she's competing with thousands on thousands of genetic females and she has no advantage. Odds are, she won't be able to compete at all with genetic female escorts.
In short, if you're a tgirl and you want to make money in the sex biz, you need and keep the unit. Chopping it off is counter-productive.
Girl tells me she is 18
Later find out she is really 16
So no crime in your opinion?
And yet it happens every day
I think tgirls get a kick out of seducing homophobic dudes personally
I think you’re mostly right. A hot transgender girl probably has something unique to sell. She’s selling it to a much smaller market, though. A hot transsexual girl (who doesn’t disclose) competes with a large number of very sexy genetic females, at-least in the market I’m apart of. She’d have to be at-least “as hot” (subjective attractiveness to straight men) to be successful.
Her self-identified age wouldn’t generally matter in court, at-least here.
She’s 16, and you committed statutory rape, a crime.
If she was 48 and self-identified as 16, firstly you had sex with a person who told you she was 16 (slow clap) and secondly, she is 48 under the law. No crime has taken place, unless it was nonconsensual or she wasn't Compos mentis.
His or your opinion on this doesn’t really matter. It just is.
Sex with a man or transwoman isn’t a crime anymore, at-least in Canada.
“Every day”? Are you hearing about this scenario happening and not telling us? Weak!!!
So far, we’ve found only 1-thread that speaks to a transsexual SP advertising in Toronto whose birth sex conclusively doesn’t match her current sex. We’ve heard from nobody who said this has happened to them (where a woman actually lies about her gender/sex, then comes clean after the act).
This hardly seems like an “every day” thing based on current evidence.
If a transsexual (not transgender) woman advertises herself as a woman, she’s not lying.
If being born a different sex prohibits her from calling herself this, maybe you need to start a campaign to help change the world. Call it “Transphobes United” or something...
Or y’all could just start sessions or info-exchanges by simply asking “what is your genetic sex?” Hopefully they don’t lie. But we’re talking about those, crafty, shifty t-girls...
They probably are only trans to make the rest of us uncomfortable, am I right?
Thank you for being you.
Let’s remember that the OP asked
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Let’s say you’re super not into piercings, augmentations, tattoos or whatever. Like grossed out by one of those. It’s the opposite of sexy for you.
You’re browsing for an SP. You find a sexy ad. She doesn’t mention she has the piercings, augmentations, tattoos or whatever that would ensure you’d never book her, had you known.
You even ask her “Do you have any tattoos? And for some reason she says “No.”
You then meet and decide to have sex with her. After sex, presumably with a SOG, which wouldn’t be possible had you known the truth, she tells you she lied about not having a tattoo.
As you sob in the shower a-la Crying Game, what do you feel would be owed to you?
You’re rightfully disgusted with yourself for having sex with a deceitful tattoood harlot, but what else beyond telling all of us on TERB what happened and maybe a refund could you do?
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I tried searching for it without success, but there was a great article on white-supremacists during the 90s beating up and in some cases killing prostitutes who they found out later were Jewish or biracial, and probably the (then) LGBTQ2 community. It is an interesting parallel.
Generally, the girls lied to these Nazi-shits for economic reasons, and had they never been outed, no problem at-all. Had the women informed the prices of human-garbage that called themselves men before the act, they risked violence and it was a guaranteed no sale, which is bad for business. Being exposed more-often led to violence against these poor women, and most would be forced to permanently flee areas the aggressors frequented.
If to your very core you’re sickened by the thought of sex with a non-Aryan, what recourse do you have after you have sex with that light-skinned Nubian goddess.
You asked, she lied, you didn’t notice, you found out anyways, now what?
Do as the Nazis do? Or ask for a refund and tell us about it?
I doubt you’ll call the cops...
and then compared this deception to stealthing.
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Let’s say you’re super not into piercings, augmentations, tattoos or whatever. Like grossed out by one of those. It’s the opposite of sexy for you.
You’re browsing for an SP. You find a sexy ad. She doesn’t mention she has the piercings, augmentations, tattoos or whatever that would ensure you’d never book her, had you known.
You even ask her “Do you have any tattoos? And for some reason she says “No.”
You then meet and decide to have sex with her. After sex, presumably with a SOG, which wouldn’t be possible had you known the truth, she tells you she lied about not having a tattoo.
As you sob in the shower a-la Crying Game, what do you feel would be owed to you?
You’re rightfully disgusted with yourself for having sex with a deceitful tattoood harlot, but what else beyond telling all of us on TERB what happened and maybe a refund could you do?
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I tried searching for it without success, but there was a great article on white-supremacists during the 90s beating up and in some cases killing prostitutes who they found out later were Jewish or biracial, and probably the (then) LGBTQ2 community. It is an interesting parallel.
Generally, the girls lied to these Nazi-shits for economic reasons, and had they never been outed, no problem at-all. Had the women informed the prices of human-garbage that called themselves men before the act, they risked violence and it was a guaranteed no sale, which is bad for business. Being exposed more-often led to violence against these poor women, and most would be forced to permanently flee areas the aggressors frequented.
If to your very core you’re sickened by the thought of sex with a non-Aryan, what recourse do you have after you have sex with that light-skinned Nubian goddess.
You asked, she lied, you didn’t notice, you found out anyways, now what?
Do as the Nazis do? Or ask for a refund and tell us about it?
I doubt you’ll call the cops...
Interesting that you bring up a (by the way great) movie which makes pretty much the opposite point you seeming wish to make.
So seemingly one of the points you are making is that it is acceptable to lie, if it involves income. Removed from this context, I truly doubt that is what you actually believe.
Perhaps I'm hopelessly naïve, but I rather doubt that if you advertise yourself as a transgender or transsexual or Jewish or Black or whatever escort, that clients who can't stand that are going to deliberately attempt to book with you just so they can assault you.
As already stated I believe that deception is more likely to lead to unpleasantness.
Fair points.
Except the Crying Game thing, which is how I imagine the guys most offended in this thread look post truth-bomb. I’m laughing at that scene (I posted a gif from Ace Ventura earlier), because if that’s how you picture your own response, I would have thought you’d take precautions in your life like avoiding the sex industry, or becoming an expert at recognizing dicks or scars indicating the former existence of dicks.
I still don’t know what is owed to this hapless John from the OP.
She calls herself a woman in her ad. She looks like a woman. She sounds like a woman. She feels and fucks like a woman. She uses the women’s bathroom. She would be welcomed at most women’s health clinics and shelters. If jailed, she’d be put with other women in a holding cell. Her driver’s license says “F” as would her re-issued birth certificate...
Given ALL of that, if you think she’s lied by calling herself a woman, or lied to you when you asked her if she’s a woman, that’s on you. Change your definition of woman to reflect reasonable changes in an evolving society, and start asking the right questions if you wish to avoid this.
If you are personally offended by the lies, this isn’t the right hobby for you.
You probably don’t have the biggest dick she’s ever seen, and you may not have just made her cum harder than she’s ever cum in her life. Sorry, she lied.
There are some girls that even lie about their name, weight, age, measurements....
Start asking to see a genetics report if you’re afraid of the idea that you might get “lied” to in this way in the sex industry.
This is kind of part of the game.
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I also totally agree that this kind of deception is more likely to lead to unpleasantness.
The level of risk she faces is entirely dependent on her ability to keep up the appearance of whatever “lie” she told. If she can maintain this deception, no harm no foul.
This is all part of the reason I think this is all nonsense. If she’s passable and you had sex with her without knowing her “truth,” why would she come clean after?
You’ll probably never know when this ever happens to you.
so when a SP/ refuse to see black clients it is her body and her right but a man refuse to see trans SP he is transphobic that's the theme of this thread
Many years ago when the Now magazine was almost the only source of advertising for SWs I saw a girl at an incall location downtown. She was fairly attractive, and I think I had a good time.I don’t remember what it was since it was long log time ago,but something about the encounter didn’t feel right,until I found out that she was a post-op. That didn’t bother me at all even though I’m a very straight male.
Sadly sadly she was murdered by an Italian homophobe who found out that she was a trans woman after sleeping with her.
Sadly sadly she was murdered by an Italian homophobe who found out that she was a trans woman after sleeping with her.
it is called bodily autonomy if SPs can decide to discriminate against specific maleclients. male clients have the same right to decide if they want to see or not to see trans SPs
it is hypocrisy to defend the right of refusal for SPs while ignoring the same for male clients who do not want to see trans sp. and i agree that the murderer should be caught and jailed for murdering the trans SP.
If that’s been posted, I haven’t read it.
You can read into this thread anyway you want.
Is she a racist? I don’t know for sure, but she sounds like one to me based on Wiki’s definition of racism:
If she won’t see clients over 200lbs, is she a sizest? If she won’t see clients under 35, is she an agist?
Are they all unacceptable prejudices, innocent working condition preferences many of us have the luxury to dictate or a practical necessity of some kind given the nature of this business, or a bit of all. I’m not sure, I don’t know her or why she’d have this preference, assuming she wrote the ad herself.
Going back to the actual topic, if the transperson refused to see black clients, she would also appear to be a racist.
It’s a double-standard, but it’s safe to say that some women who post “no black men” do not have this same rule in their personal life, and wouldn’t ordinarily be considered racists beyond the context of their ad selling services as a sex worker. It doesn’t change the fact that I’d certainly not be interested in seeing her.
From Wikipedia Transphobia
This seems to be what’s generally being expressed here, and I’d stand behind that label being applied to many of the responses here.
It seems like you’re trying to send this on a tangent, but I could be wrong.
unfortunately that's the theme that's trying to be pushed. It's not hurting anyone if you didn't know about the sex change...thanks for telling us what's right and what's wrong for us. geez. It's funny how the pro-trans fight for rights yet ignore other's rights to have a choice of who they see based on the anatomy that the SP was born with. People's right to something isn't absolute as there are competing rights. In the case of trans or natural born anatomy, full disclosure is the solution to balancing rights.
Here's a question, if a trans started to date someone in civilian life, would that trans person feel compelled to tell the partner the truth? If so, why not provide same disclosure to the client, or is it just about the money and full disclosure would narrow the client base?
This is the first two sentences from the Wikipedia article for Transphobia.
When your sexual preference response is so negative to this idea that it touches on discomfort or disgust, then yes you’re transphobic. Same for two dudes doin’ it. If that makes you uncomfortable or disgusts you, you’re homophobic.
You could have lots of black friends and still be a racist, and lots of gay or trans friends and still be homophobic or transphobic. Some of the most transphobic people I know are lesbians.
Is that an actual right in the country you live in?
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Every transperson in my life that I can think of shares that kind of medical information with their partner, usually very early on in the relationship (before bedroom stuff).
But usually this info is well-established during the hook-up.
If you’re at a trans or gay community bar, club or party, it’s a generally a safe enough space to divulge. In fact, often it’s part of the casual introduction in my experience. Disclosing here won’t necessarily put your income or your safety at-risk. Plus, if you’re at a bar like that, it really doesn’t matter all that much to clarify what’s in your pants. You’re attracted to what you’re attracted to...
To answer your question: I believe it’s all about the money.
I can think of two women off the top of my head that paid back the debts for their bottom surgery with money they earned as female SP’s.
The ‘why not’ is “it’s none of your business.” She may not disclose she has asthma, fake tits, no tonsils, veneers, astigmatism or eyelash extensions either. Her choice, and this thread established that outing yourself as transsexual in a ad targeted toward heterosexual men is a great way to scare off customers. If she genuinely can get away with it, why wouldn’t she?
If this could ruin your date, all you need to do is ask before you book to avoid disappointment. “Are you genetically female?” Or “Transpeople disgust me. Are you one of them?” Whatever floats your boat.
I imagine few will lie, knowing that being caught in this lie could be consequential.
But, it’s on you to ask.
Well, there is one thing, having a baby. Who knows that day may come when a transwoman may be able to become pregnant, albeit, through medical advancements/technology. Maybe at that point in time attitudes may change towards transgender women.
But most certainly, SP's who are transgender should not be outed by others. It is their choice and their choice alone. If a client has any doubt, then ask. Personally, I had seen a dancer many times years ago that was a transgender woman. She looked and acted definitely like a woman and I had no idea until I sensed something. I was not traumatized and I don't wake up in the middle of the night thinking my life is over. She looked, acted and carried herself very much like a woman. Like some have alluded to, I am sure some have been highly satisfied by a transgender woman. Buying sex from an attractive, sexy women is a fantasy for many. Just think of it as another fantasy and scratch it off your bucket list. You are still alive and enjoying all the finer things in life. What more can you ask for.
