Ukraine updates

[squeezer]

Yup the Kremlin has paid me to defend their interests on the Toronto escort review board That pretty much sums up your logic on this one squeeze.

Well, if I were you I wouldn't go back to the Kremlin. You're doing a piss poor job and I bet Putin has a window picked out. It's best to stay here and sit on your PC all day waiting for anyone to support Ukraine not becoming part of Russia and mount your Kremlin defense.

 

[krealtarron]

It's best to stay here and sit on your PC all day waiting for anyone to support Ukraine not becoming part of Russia and mount your Kremlin defense.

Says the guy who stays here all day sitting on his PC waiting for anyone to call out NATO to mount his proxy war defence

 

[Frankfooter]

The question was rhetorical.

Right.
CSTO is ok
NATO is evil

What about Wagner, now they're being labelled as terrorists.

‘We’re going to prove that Wagner is a terrorist organisation’

Ukrainians in exile are mobilising an army of lawyers to seize Wagner’s assets and hobble Russia’s ability to wage war.

www.aljazeera.com

Does that mean your standards are:
Neo Nazis are evil (except in the US)
terrorists are ok

 

[krealtarron]

Right.
CSTO is ok
NATO is evil

What about Wagner, now they're being labelled as terrorists.

‘We’re going to prove that Wagner is a terrorist organisation’

Ukrainians in exile are mobilising an army of lawyers to seize Wagner’s assets and hobble Russia’s ability to wage war.

www.aljazeera.com

Does that mean your standards are:
Neo Nazis are evil (except in the US)
terrorists are ok

Yes CSTO is a toothless organization. But I wouldn't mind it being disbanded as well. But they dont even come close to NATO in terms of being aggressive.

And neo-nazis are never okay. I have said that Russia and Ukraine both have a nazi problem. And when did I say neo-nazis are evil except in the US? I asked if neo-nazis are state sponsored in the US the way they are in Ukraine.

Fact: Nazis are bad and evil,
Franky: Neo-nazis are evil in the US and Russia!
Also Franky: Neo-nazis are heroes in Ukraine!

 

[Frankfooter]

Yes CSTO is a toothless organization. But I wouldn't mind it being disbanded as well. But they dont even come close to NATO in terms of being aggressive.

And neo-nazis are never okay. I have said that Russia and Ukraine both have a nazi problem. And when did I say neo-nazis are evil except in the US? I asked if neo-nazis are state sponsored in the US the way it is in Ukraine.

Just another dumbass post for the sake of posting something as usual.

Neo-nazis were part of J6, they are a part of the rump 'base'.
Wagner is pretty much the same.

It all just looks like you really hate the US but don't see any problems with Putin's Russia.

 

[krealtarron]

Neo-nazis were part of J6, they are a part of the rump 'base'.
Wagner is pretty much the same.

It all just looks like you really hate the US but don't see any problems with Putin's Russia.

What about the Ukrainian nazis? Are they the same as well?

Fact: Nazis are bad and evil,
Franky: Neo-nazis are evil in the US and Russia!
Also Franky: Neo-nazis are heroes in Ukraine!

And its patently stupid to equate the neo-nazi morons of Trump's base with either Russia or Ukraine for that matter where they are military personnel.

Cant you atleast be consistent and unequivocal in your condemnation of fucking NAZIS?

 

[y2kmark]

The Kremlin must be paying both of you to sit by your computer and quickly jump in to spew their nonsensical propaganda eh?

Chicken has been locked up in the coup for now LMAO

Can be useful though. It now appears Russian propaganda tools want a drawn out war. Accusation is admission and they know now they can't win any sort of victory quickly or ever destroy Ukraine entirely. If they can put enough facts on the ground, though, they may be able to ignore internationally established borders. It works for Israel, doesn't it?

 

[Addict2sex]

As if Grayzone has any credibility whatsoever after all those fake conspiracy theories. All the right wing media pushed all the fake crap about Hillary Clinton on a constant basis. The Steele dossier was originally paid for by the Republicans. LOL!! Like you will get any marks in any University for what you have been posting from Putins mouthpieces. Maybe you took his pathetic History Class prior to the invasion of Ukraine. Then you believed that it was going to be a "Special Mission" all to do with "Peacekeeping" in that region. Obviously, from your arguments you still seem to buy that narrative. ROTFLMAO!!

You are the biggest liars for the liberals in this board! Now trying to switch or twists the truth! FACTS are the Steele dossier was paid by Hillary Clintons! You guys own that narrative!

When Urkaraine lose the war , I going to enjoy see you eat crow! Russia will wipe out Ukrainian army by and of this autumn! president Zelensky neoNazis sympathizer will probably be dead by his own hand sucides, or kill by his Generals, or by his own people or by the CIA. I going to see you crying or sobbing like a baby in a dark corner wonder what the fuck was wrong was the mainstream media narrative about Ukraine first winning the war then Russia run out of amino, etc… You going to see that you was brainwashed by the liberal garbage in the mainstream media! You the mouth piece of the neocons or highly mostly likely neoliberals warmongering! Always blindly trust your blue tribal group/ leaders no matter what!

 

[Frankfooter]

What about the Ukrainian nazis? Are they the same as well?

Fact: Nazis are bad and evil,
Franky: Neo-nazis are evil in the US and Russia!
Also Franky: Neo-nazis are heroes in Ukraine!

And its patently stupid to equate the neo-nazi morons of Trump's base with either Russia or Ukraine for that matter where they are military personnel.

Cant you atleast be consistent and unequivocal in your condemnation of fucking NAZIS?

I am consistent.
They are bad and exist all over the world but are not a reason to invade a country anywhere right now.

You seem to be ok with them when they are Russian, like Wagner terrorist/neo Nazis.

 

[krealtarron]

I am consistent.
They are bad and exist all over the world but are not a reason to invade a country anywhere right now.

You seem to be ok with them when they are Russian, like Wagner terrorist/neo Nazis.

I repeatedly have said I am NOT okay with them just in the previous 2 or 3 posts. Apparently you cant read.

You have NOT ONCE said Ukrainian nazis are bad. Not once. That shows where you stand so stop making dumb and dishonest comments.

 

[mandrill]

Well, if I were you I wouldn't go back to the Kremlin. You're doing a piss poor job and I bet Putin has a window picked out. It's best to stay here and sit on your PC all day waiting for anyone to support Ukraine not becoming part of Russia and mount your Kremlin defense.

Krealovsky should volunteer for Wagner Group and do his best to fight NATO by charging machine guns in Bakhmut.

 

[krealtarron]

Krealovsky should volunteer for Wagner Group and do his best to fight NATO by charging machine guns in Bakhmut.

Mandy you should volunteer as a model western puppet for zelensky and dig those trenches for the Ukrainians. Beware though half of them are nazis.

 

[squeezer]

Says the guy who stays here all day sitting on his PC waiting for anyone to call out NATO to mount his proxy war defence

On the contrary my Putin ass sniffing friend. I come and go and when I check in I see a notification and I respond. You seem to be able to answer anyone right away except for when you had Chickenman subbing while you had Kreal being prepped, lubed and oiled by Putin.

 

[krealtarron]

On the contrary my Putin ass sniffing friend. I come and go and when I check in I see a notification and I respond. You seem to be able to answer anyone right away except for when you had Chickenman subbing while you had Kreal being prepped, lubed and oiled by Putin.

On the contrary my Zelensky cock sucking friend. You "come and go" all day alright. Only every 15 minutes Maybe thats how long it takes for you to gag, drool and choke on Zelensky's cock and then come back and dutifully regurgitate whatever he fed you

 

[Leimonis]

You are the biggest liars for the liberals in this board! Now trying to switch or twists the truth! FACTS are the Steele dossier was paid by Hillary Clintons! You guys own that narrative!

When Urkaraine lose the war , I going to enjoy see you eat crow! Russia will wipe out Ukrainian army by and of this autumn! president Zelensky neoNazis sympathizer will probably be dead by his own hand sucides, or kill by his Generals, or by his own people or by the CIA. I going to see you crying or sobbing like a baby in a dark corner wonder what the fuck was wrong was the mainstream media narrative about Ukraine first winning the war then Russia run out of amino, etc… You going to see that you was brainwashed by the liberal garbage in the mainstream media! You the mouth piece of the neocons or highly mostly likely neoliberals warmongering! Always blindly trust your blue tribal group/ leaders no matter what!

Thank you comrade for confirming that Conservatives and Russians are on the same side!

 

[Valcazar]

Withdrawing means admitting defeat. That wont happen without a ceasefire and talks and compromise in some way shape or form that makes
Putin look good.

At least you are admitting they can negotiate.
I thought you had gone full on blood lust.

Yes, I am glad you acknowledge that the belligerents in a confrontation tend to have demands and interests and negotiating these is difficult.

I'm just saying, since you insist that the war itself is a tragedy and should be ended as soon as possible, that the single fastest way to end it is for Russia to stop prosecuting the war that they started.
That you find those conditions unacceptable should hopefully make you realize that maybe there are conditions the other party in the war (Ukraine) also finds unacceptable, and your continual insistence that they accept whatever Russia demands is perhaps not the most realistic expectation.

As I have mentioned several times, I dont have dog in this fight.

This a blatant and obvious lie.
You have a fierce ideological commitment to the idea that NATO is to blame and must be dismantled.

(You have other obvious biases, sure, but that's the actual dog you have in the fight.)

If you were willing to step back and be objective or cooler in your analysis of geopolitics in all its complexity, you wouldn't say quite as many silly things as you say.

And I have. I have talked at length about how the last 30 years of NATO actions have led up to this moment.

Yes.
We've discussed your cartoon view of history and geopolitics.

On the other hand, while you run your mouth about addressing actual actions and behaviours on the ground and staying objective, you consistently display the opposite and use 2 primary reasonings for the war a) Apparently "unprovoked" Russian Aggression(s) leading to distrust between the west and Russia b) Russian ambitions to recreate some version of the USSR.

Wow.
You aren't even pretending to pay attention, are you?

 

[Frankfooter]

I repeatedly have said I am NOT okay with them just in the previous 2 or 3 posts. Apparently you cant read.

You have NOT ONCE said Ukrainian nazis are bad. Not once. That shows where you stand so stop making dumb and dishonest comments.

All Nazis are bad, I said that in that post but apparently you can't read.

Its just amazing that you would admit there are Russian and American Nazis but say only Ukrainian ones are bad enough to invade and destroy an entire country over.
And then claim its because you're antiwar.

Or justify destroying a country because they considered signing a treaty with NATO.
Or justify destroying a country because you don't like Ukrainians and think they are all puppets.

 

[Valcazar]

Are they state sponsored and approved?

Yes.
There are no rogue military units in the US.
(I know the arguments about some of the more strident militias being filled with enough ex-military to qualify but I find it a weak argument.)

But the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy concerning right wing extremism is a well known issue in both the military and the police forces of the US.

 

[Valcazar]

Did you mean to say NATO is destroyed in that last sentence?

Neither. I am saying NATO knew that this would lead to an invasion and purposefully did not do anything about it, so they can have their proxy war. They pushed this to go to war.

You're right. I meant Russia would be destroyed there.

So if NATO lured Russia in and Russia wouldn't refuse to take the bait to deny NATO its victory and now won't withdraw to deny NATO its victory, does that mean you do think Russia is just a patsy for NATO and doomed to destruction because they are unable to counteract NATO's superior tactics and manipulation?

 

[Valcazar]

Russia's crimes against the Ukrainian residents of Bucha have come to light on the Anniversary of the Liberation of this city from Putin's aggressive war in Ukraine:

A year after Russia’s crimes in Bucha came to light, Ukraine marches toward justice for its civilians

A year after Russia’s crimes in Bucha came to light, Ukraine marches toward justice for its civilians

Ukraine’s Prosecutor-General, Andrii Kostin, says he has evidence of 9,000 Russian war crimes committed in Bucha and the surrounding area, including 37 children killed during Russia’s 33-day occupation of the region

www.theglobeandmail.com

Sad that we have some on this Board who are defending this Putin for his actions in Ukraine!!

The war crimes issue is a serious one.

How the west reacts when a Ukrainian group commits an obvious war crime will tell us a lot.
(It will also depend on how the Ukrainian leadership reacts.)

I have little faith of only one side committing any, that's not how war goes.
But how these things go has a lot to do with leadership and systems.
I hope that Ukraine cracks down quickly on any war crimes committed by their troops, but I fear they might not under the "we're desperate, everything is allowed" argument and that will be a moral nightmare.