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ramblin

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I don't follow the Jays closely anymore. Just heard that Springer ended a 0-35 streak. Is he the $150mm man?
Yes! While watching the game at my friends on Tuesday night I mentioned that perhaps coming up on 34 years old next month that Springer we are witnessing Springer's decline. I remember how quickly Bautista went from a 40 HR season to half thatn then gone in just a few years. Hear Kevin Barker say today, he thinks he's on his back 9.
 

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Ricky Tiedemann had another fine outing on July 29, eight days after his first rehab game since May 4. This time, after moving up a level from Rookie to Low A, Ricky fanned six in three innings for Dunedin.

There is an outside chance that he could pitch at six different levels of the Jays' system this year. I can't think of any player who has played at more than four different levels in the same season, and that includes both rising young stars and veterans who had minor league rehab assignments.
Vernon Wells did 4 levels in 1999....For a hitter that's amazing.

 
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Yes! While watching the game at my friends on Tuesday night I mentioned that perhaps coming up on 34 years old next month that Springer we are witnessing Springer's decline. I remember how quickly Bautista went from a 40 HR season to half thatn then gone in just a few years. Hear Kevin Barker say today, he thinks he's on his back 9.
I always felt like that Odor punch made Bautista less scary at the plate. It sounds silly, but I think that just took a little bit of his edge away in the opposing pitchers mind. Mix that in with his age decline and I think that’s a combination of what happened.

So are we organizing a group party to watch the August 12th retirement of Bautista to The Level Of Excellence? Who has the bucket of beers? Lol

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I feel that if AA had been left in charge, we would not have gone through that 5-7 year rebuild and we're still just barely a playoff contender. We had some abysmal teams in there just so Shapo could remove all remnants of the AA regime.

AA has had success everywhere he has gone. He was the face of the Jays and adored in the clubhouse.
This is so very true. I wish AA had stayed. The only positive out of him leaving was he would’ve most likely signed David Price to a long-term deal. That was his guy. And as we know, his Velo dropped dramatically over the next five seasons, along with a sharp decline straight to retirment.

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retirement of Bautista to The Level Of Excellence
I know this is a wishful thinking dream… I would love to see the Blue Jays shake up the hitting coach situation. Imagine putting Joey Batts as a hitting coach on the heels of the August 12th ceremony? If there’s anyone that knows how to turn on a baseball and use your mechanics and hips….. it would be Bautista. I just don’t expect him to teach much about hitting the opposite field. Lol.

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Vernon Wells did 4 level in 1999....For a hitter that's amazing.


Several have done 4 levels in a season. Tom 'Flash' Gordon in 1988 is one of them, also A-Rod in 1994 and Juan Soto in 2018. Stephen Strasberg pitched at five levels in 2011, but most were rehab; he had played in the Majors the previous season. Strasberg could possibly be the only player to have appeared in games at five levels in one season.

Most candidates to complete this feat will be either International players, high school phenoms selected at or near the top of the June Draft, or a guy rushed to the Majors by an expansion team or a franchise struggling for attendance. A top draft pick who played in the NCAA isn't likely to do it, because most of them start their professional career at AA.

Cade Horton in the Chicago Cubs organization has advanced from Low A through High A to AA this year, his first as a professional. He was previously a star in both Baseball and Football for the Oklahoma Sooners. He's already had Tommy John surgery.
 
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......and that's how you put 42,000+ people to sleep. They didn't even belong on the same field with the Orioles.
 
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Un any other city the fans would have booed them off the field and called for Schneiders firing. But the Rogers Centre is an oversized bar and the baseball fans just hope.
 

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Has any other guy in history with Springer's statistics hit fourth?
Probably not and it's a sign that the Jays lack hitting depth. The Jays may squeak into the playoffs thanks to the new format, but I can't see the Jays beating any East Division team in a playoff series.
 

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What an embarrassment display of hitting, with exception of Bo, they all try to pull the ball. Fire all hitting coaches and hire Dante. All teams know this and pitch them away for swing and misses. Vladdy swung and struck out on a pitch that was 6 inches off the plate.
 

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Actually, by most metrics, the Jays offense is pretty good.

Ranking in all of MLB (lots of top 10's):
batting average-5th
at bats/game-2nd
hits/gm-5th
slugging%-9th
OBP-8th
OPS-9th
runs/gm-15th
HR/gm-14th

The 2 stats that are killing them:
Hit into double play-27th in MLB
Runners left in scoring position-28th in MLB

They get lots of hits and lots of men on base, but they squander their opportunities. Their timely hitting is real bad. How do you correct that when the stats show that the guys in the order can definitely hit way above the league average. But for some reason the don't do it with men on base/in scoring position. And in general it's different guys on different nights that strand the baserunners.

They have the same skill set when they come to the plate with men on base, but they don't display it when it's most needed. It's a mental thing. How does that get corrected?

As for Belt, yes he has a good OBP which is his job, so maybe it is the guy(s) behind him who are the problem. It's not his fault that they can't advance him.

TBH, it's a weird situation.
I would reckon that since June 30 (the start of the last Boston series) our hitting numbers are likely average at best. Funnily enough our best series hitting during that stretch is against the Dodgers. I mean shit we were even no hit by the woeful Detroit Tigers.
But yes our clutch hitting (or lack thereof) is the glaring weakness.
 

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Good bounce-back after the shameful 1-6 loss to the Orioles. Didn't watch that game, how many walks did Vlady take.

We finally got to James Paxton, the BC guy pitched a no-hitter against us when he was with the Mariners. Davis Schneider looks like a chartered accountant, unlike Matt Chapman, he doesn't have a Dick Long mustache - but it does look cheesy. He has power and speed, I hope this is the start of a promising career.

Btw Dick Long filled out his mustache when he became Harry Reems.
 

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Apparently, the Jays were 0 for 7 with runners in scoring position last night despite the impressive victory.
 

ramblin

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Probably not and it's a sign that the Jays lack hitting depth. The Jays may squeak into the playoffs thanks to the new format, but I can't see the Jays beating any East Division team in a playoff series.
I think both lack of depth (The Jays do not have a clean-up hitter) and respect for Springer. He's either in a bad slump, or on an age related decline. If The Jays can keep the wild card close then we need Springer in September and October and you can't embarrass your star veteran too much if you need him later.
 

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At this time in 2022, the Phillies were 57-49, had Alec Bohm and JT Realmuto batting 3-4 (two .750 ish OPS Hitters at the time), and made the World Series.
At this time in 2021, the Braves were 55-55.. they had Jorge Soler hitting .199 in the top spots of the order. They won the World Series.
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At this point in 2019, the Nationals were 58-53. They won the World Series.

2 points here:
1) The MLB playoffs are a crapshoot. The better teams do have a better chance to advance of course, but their odds are not that much greater than lower teams.
2) "Cleanup hitters" are no longer typically the best hitters in lineups. That's old school. Due to analytics most teams will put their best hitters at the #2 and #3 spot, and sometimes even #1. When teams have a key injury you will often find a decent / so-so player batting clean up.
 
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