so you are afraid to answer the question. No explanation required. It is yes or no.
Israel at war
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There have been about 55 UN resolutions against Israel, all of which were vetoed by the US. If the Palestinians have no recourse it will just lead to more terrorism and with the advent of cheap drones it will get worse as time goes on.
The US needs to stop vetoing and let the UN do its job to relieve some of the stress of the pressure cooker.
In the long term, the land has to be repartitioned with the border running along the latitude so it is short, and a DMZ put in place. Ideally, it would be a 50/50 split but given the powerlessness of the Palestinians, 70/30 with the 70 going to Israel would be reasonable.
The US needs to stop vetoing and let the UN do its job to relieve some of the stress of the pressure cooker.
In the long term, the land has to be repartitioned with the border running along the latitude so it is short, and a DMZ put in place. Ideally, it would be a 50/50 split but given the powerlessness of the Palestinians, 70/30 with the 70 going to Israel would be reasonable.
Murder was what hamas did in their terror attack on the 7th where they explicitly trained for and targeted Israeli civilians. You celebrated that.
The deaths of Gaza civilians is tragic but they are casualties of war, not murdered. And no moral person is celebrating Israel's response.
Wait. You've claimed Hamas unguided rockets are actually self defence. You've claimed that targeting of Jewish civilians in the West Bank is okay because in your words, you can't tell them apart.
The groups you pretend to support have been clear those are war crimes but you keep on claiming they're okay.
And look at Frank continuing to blame Israel for hamas choosing to butcher civilians by going door to door.
Ah, the patented Franky move of making up bullshit to try and justify his hatreds.
p.s. based on your refusal to listen to Palestinians and your claims that they are incapable of being responsible for their choices, seems like you consider Arabs to be animals.
This was Israel butchering 'human animals', basketcase.
11 days with no food, water or power for 2.2 million people, 50% of whom are children.
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You have yet to be able to either state where the borders of Israel lie or whether Palestinians have basic human rights.
Israel has killed 1524 children so far.
Palestinians did not choose to live under a 54 year old occupation.
Nor did they choose to live through apartheid or in the world's largest death camp.
well, they kind of did when they rejected Israel's generous offer of citizenship in the newly minted country of Israel.
I'm stating that Hamas hasn't give a choice. So under those specific circumstances, where your enemy leaves no choice for your own survival, then they are justified.
Because the war crime imo isn't in the destruction, its in the placement that creates the situation. Hamas does it on purpose, they WANT civilian casualties. They prefer martyrs to mouths to feed. That's who they are.
So yes the tactical question matters, because unless you can give another option, you are promoting Hamas's tactics as humane.
That was the one with free unicorns and balloons, wasn't it?
Your approval of the terrorist attack of Oct. 7 says otherwise. You admittedly knew that there would be reprisals, yet you continually justified the attack.
Ergo, you approved of Gazans being killed. There is no other logical conclusion.
The wife beater's defence.
She knew that if dinner was cold you'd break her face ergo she expected her face to be broken and approved having her face broken.
That is the total sum of your morality.
More polls, in the UK only old people back Israel.
They also see their media as heavily biased.
In the US:
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Failed logic.
You are describing a scenario where only 2 parties are involved and that is not the case with what we are discussing. There are 3 parties involved once you include the Gazans. They are the ones getting punished.
A proper analogy would be if she knew that he'd be angry if dinner was cold and she also knew that he'd take it out on the kids. So if she (Hamas) intentionally and provokingly let her husband's (Israel) dinner get cold and the kids (Gazans) subsequently suffered, yeah sure, she'd be deserving of plenty of blame for the children's suffering. And by the way, it doesn't have to be with violence. Maybe they had to go to bed hungry.
Sorry pal. You need to try again. You need an appropriately analogous situation. The dynamic is very different when 3 parties are involved instead of just 2.
But let's really complete the scene. Let's add a 4th party. You, frank, knew the family and you knew how the husband would take things out on the kids. But seeing as you wanted to bang the wife and wanted a wedge driven between husband and wife, you were happy that she left his dinner cold and it didn't bother you at all that the kids had to go to bed hungry for something that they had no control of. That's the kind of person you are. That's the sum of your morality.
Thanks you so much for providing that partial analogy for me. It made it so easy for me to paint you into a corner and you can't use your political false narratives and rewritten history to dip and dodge because it's a domestic situation, not a geopolitical one. You can't outlogic me. All you can do is gaslight.
There are only two parties, Palestinians and Zionists.
The wife beater controls everything the wife is allowed to do. She can't leave, she gets no money and if she tries he beats her.
So she makes dinner and hopes he doesn't find fault as he'll take away more of her freedom, break her face and tell her its for her own good.
You want to erase all Palestinians so you won't even use that word. You've erased Palestinians the way you've erased Palestine from the map.
Instead you call them all 'Hamas' in order to justify killing 1524 children and 1400 women.
If you identified them as human you'd have to admit you are evil, so you have to call them 'Hamas' and say they deserved to be killed.
When you see this don't you say 'terrorist', don't you say 'Hamas' and that they needed to be 'erased'?
Frankfooter, are you unemployed or retired? I note your last post yesterday was at 11:49 pm.
Then as far as I can see your first post today was at 10:08 am, and you were constantly posting throughout the day even up until a few minutes ago at 11:55 PM this evening.
I also have to admire your finger stamina unless you are doing "speech-to-text".
Just curious. No offense intended.
On the other hand, as Winston Churchill is reputed to have said: "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. You must be the change you wish to see in the world. Change will not come if if we wait for some other person or some other time".
Then as far as I can see your first post today was at 10:08 am, and you were constantly posting throughout the day even up until a few minutes ago at 11:55 PM this evening.
I also have to admire your finger stamina unless you are doing "speech-to-text".
Just curious. No offense intended.
On the other hand, as Winston Churchill is reputed to have said: "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. You must be the change you wish to see in the world. Change will not come if if we wait for some other person or some other time".
