Israel at war

Frankfooter

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you conveniently conflate pro-Palestinian with hamas. Israel and the U.S. have made it clear that this is a war against hamas and not the Palestinians. As difficult as it it for you klatuu et al to criticize hamas is should be easy to condemn hamas while expressing support for Palestinians.
Every Israeli supporter conflates Palestinians with Hamas.
Otherwise they'd be disgusted that they are mostly just killing women, children and the elderly.

Genocide is only acceptable once you call them 'human animals'.
 

Not getting younger

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They are not Arab terrorist groups. They are multi-ethnic. There is no reason to mention Arab when referring to those terrorist groups.

How about trying to say - "ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah are animals" instead of saying "Arabs are animals, sick etc"?
Keep trying to dig yourself out poster boy. Ironically you’re digging the hole deeper now..gas lighting too orange man
 

Dragon77

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Keep trying to dig yourself out poster boy. Ironically you’re digging the hole deeper now..gas lighting too orange man
You would actually learn something if you did research and fact gathering but you keep embarassing yourself with lack of knowledge to this subject. Same guy that compared Vietnamese to current Palestinians. That alone warrants ignore list.
 
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Dragon77

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you conveniently conflate pro-Palestinian with hamas. Israel and the U.S. have made it clear that this is a war against hamas and not the Palestinians. As difficult as it it for you klatuu et al to criticize hamas is should be easy to condemn hamas while expressing support for Palestinians.
You conveniently reject that many civilians are stuck in this war and are getting killed with zero course of action to get them out of harms way. You clearly didn't watch video or click on article I attached. If you did you would understand what's happening here.

As difficult it is for you to understand the same script for taliban is being used with hamas where hundreds of thousands of people are at risk with their lives. The evacuation and refugee status for Israelis is illustration of inequality for human lives.
 
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toguy5252

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You conveniently reject that many civilians are stuck in this war and are getting killed with zero course of action to get them out of harms way. You clearly didn't watch video or click on article I attached. If you did you would understand what's happening here.

As difficult it is for you to understand the same script for taliban is being used with hamas where hundreds of thousands of people are at risk with their lives. The evacuation and refugee status for Israelis is illustration of inequality for human lives.
i do not reject that al all. I lament to death of any civilians and the Palestinians in Gaza are in a terrible and untenable position. But it was hamas who created that situation and it is up to Israel to put an end to the contsatnt threats and the recent barbarism.

the warning to leave was a sign of respect for life as opposed to hamas who were encouraging people to stay and interfering with people trying to leave because they thrive on death.
 

Valcazar

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Bacause of their actions. Hamas makes it impossible to fight them.

Beyond that I'm a realist. Name a war declared and fought with no civilian casualties with an urban parrmt to it. By any nation. And please remember that many of the civilians are support staff. Complicit in assisting. So staying to help. This is beyond the majority being told and even forced to stay.
Which is why "civilian casualties" is not the definition of a war crime.

My complaint with you isn't that you suggest it will be impossible for Israel fight this war and cause no civilian casualties.
My complaint with you is that you say Israel should commit war crimes and in fact, because it is Hamas, they shouldn't even count as war crimes, really.

Are you really that myopic, naive and privileged to not see all this? I'm "fine war crimes" because Hamas gave no choice. And find the concept of a "clean" war laughable.

It's like that Star Trek episode where its all fought on computers and the citizens march off into suicide booths. You think that's possible? Or better yet just let em fight it out on OverWatch or Call of Duty?
So you reject the entire concept of international law in war, then?
Bucha wasn't a war crime, for instance?
 

Not getting younger

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I proved to you how what you said was a generalization. Why dont you just provide clarification instead of being defensive? And you are calling me a Trump supporter, lol. If you saw my posts, you know that I am not remotely close to being a Trump supporter.
You proved only that you project racism, see only what you want to see, when you should look in the mirror, gas light, and that, like Trump you mock…Rather try to, those with a disability.

Eat it, and lie in the bed of your own making
 

basketcase

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In 2007 Hamas said they'd settle for the two state solution.
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If you take the abbreviated statement that avoid the temporary part.

His current claims are the the death and sacrifice of Palestinians in Gaza are required, as he sits in his Qatar mansion.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Saw this on twitter. Makes the most sense IMO.
You will have some civilian loss of life, but this way its kept to a minimum

Here's how I would defeat Hamas.
Surround northern Gaza and set up a buffer zone.
Then wait it out for a few weeks (or months) until Hamas supplies run out.
The enemy will then be either too tired or hungry to put up much of a fight.
Hamas will obviously have emergency rations, but those are not gonna last forever.

If the IDF goes in guns blazing right now they will encounter booby traps, snipers and suicide bombers for sure.
Its not worth it when defeating Hamas can be done a much easier way
 
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