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Kautilya said:
Israel's international borders are recognized. Pre-67, it was the Green Line but presently, the West Bank (Areas A, B and C) and Gaza, both fall within Israeli territory and yes they are occupied and controlled by Israel. Although Areas A and B are under Palestinian administration. But generally Israel is recognized to be everything except Gaza and West Bank today.
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All settlements are illegal.
The occupation is illegal.
No borders are internationally recognized.

Start there.

They do. People = countries. There does not have to be any law for this. It simply, is. If you act on this premise against any country, they will be justified in using force against you, the same as Israel.
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No, your opinion is worthless no matter how many times you repeat it. If you think its true back it up with legal statements.


So present day realities. The Palestinians will undoubtedly get a much smaller state if they want one, and they'd have to be okay with that for the sake of peace and for the sake of their future generations. A lot of this was also their fault.
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Then they won't agree and they will fight for equal rights and control of all of Israel democratically. Good luck against that fight.

They shouldn't. It is a ridiculous proposition.
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Doesn't matter. The Jewish population is a minority, if they can't kill enough Palestinians or ethnically cleanse them from Israel than when apartheid ends there will be votes on the issues. And then the people will decide.

Israel should have settled with the two state solution while they could have.

You listen only to the Israeli side, you really need to hear the Palestinian side. But we both know you won't as they are Muslim.

Israel can't win a war against the end of apartheid.

Liberation for us means dismantling the structures of Zionist settler colonialism and apartheid and addressing the inequalities and injustices it has inflicted on us, the indigenous population of Palestine, over the past 100 years.

Liberation for us aims to transform the relationship between Palestinians and Israelis into one based on total equality and justice. The settler society is expected to abandon all colonial privileges and display real willingness to accept responsibility for past crimes and injustices. The compromise that indigenous Palestinians are expected to offer is to accept settlers as equal citizens in the new state between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

This is the path to peace and security, and the international community, which has long accepted Israel’s war crimes against the Palestinians and has even been complicit in them, will have to embrace it.
 
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The unrest will perpetuate because Theodor Herzl was ultra successful in his vision for a Jewish homeland in the former Palestine and the Palestinians have not been successful in creating a safe and secure homeland , Arafat once said that the conflict will continue because of the power of Palestinian women's uteruses.

The current destruction is stoked by third parties and foreign actors who wish to make sure that Israel does normalize relations with Saudi Arabia, Egypt and other Middle East nations
 
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Kautilya said:
They are recognized. There is disputed land sure. But Israels international borders are recognized.
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They are not recognized.
You can't even get one Israeli supporter to clearly state where they think the borders lie.


There needs to be no legal document. Countries and people are one and the same. Legally and morally people have the right to exist and therefore so do countries. There is no separation between countries and people. By the same argument Palestine has no right to exist. Would you agree with that?
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Don't push this argument if you can't back it up.
If you don't have a law behind you its bullshit.

Terrorist attacks are not democratic. And how is their fight going so far? Then they can keep fighting and keep shooting themselves in their dicks. If your view here, is shared by Palestinians, then they are not just not going to get statehood, but they outright do not deserve it.
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Protests are global and massive. Israel can kill tens of thousands but the more they kill the faster will be the end of apartheid.

Quoting the Hamas charter, is terrorist sympathizing.
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That was not the Hamas charter, don't be an idiot. The source was linked.

And no, you basically justified and made the case for Israel to not just continue Apartheid, but to double down and intensify it.
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You admit that Israel is going to continue this genocidal path because they've blown the two state solution?
There is zero chance that the attack on Gaza and the West Bank will lead to the two state solution, its only logical outcomes are mass genocide, ethnic cleansing or the end of apartheid.

You really want to back one of the first two options?
 
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An idea that israel with population of 7 million can demolish the wall and absorb 2 mln Gazans is absurd.
Hamas will simply spread everywhere in the West Bank and beyond and will not stop until israel doesn’t exist anymore.
That’s why all the calls for “end of occupation” are either naive or malicious.
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It already has absorbed them you half wit. Hence the apartheid.
 
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Frankfooter said:
If they live through this do you think they will want to live peacefully under continuing Israeli occupation?
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Glad to hear that our local champion of non-violence is advocating that Gazans should keep starting wars.

This proves how insincere and hypocritical you are. 😂 🤪:ROFLMAO::LOL:😅
 
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But, he is always quick to get on his high horse and (falsely) accuse others of racism/racist.
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Only those that rightly deserve it.

Please explain how the quote in my sig line is not a racist one. If it is not a statement that is discriminatory please explain what it means.

I'm getting ready to another picture of Turtle Boy because guaranteed you WIL Not provide an explanation.
 
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mellowjello said:
You have no points you phony hypocrite. NONE.
You can't rebut a single argument or evidence he gives you, that's why your only argument is calling him an anti-Semite and disparaging him.
C'mon, take a look at what's going on in the West Bank where there is no Hamas.
I've been seeing videos like this, actually much worse, for years.
And it's all normalized for people like you.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1715970219804664131
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Sad Shack will avoid this video like the plague. He doesn’t have the intellectual horsepower to deal with It.
 
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Skoob said:
Wait...maybe Hamas is somehow using the $billions worth of military equipment Biden left in Afghanistan when he botched that whole thing, so this means no net-new American tax dollars have been invested into these attacks!
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And 6 billion the US gave to Iran recently.
And after thy got the 6 billion the entire Iranian congress chants death to Israel and USA?!


I'm following this war very closely since it started. There are no easy answers. They are brothers at war sadly and I hope one day peace will be upon that Region.

🙏 ing for peace in the middle east.
 
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Kautilya said:
No I am saying that your argument that Israel does not have a right to exist, and should not have even existed, and any future negotiation should successfully result in the dissolution of Israel as a state, pretty much justifies Israel's actions. It doesn't just justify Israels actions, it justifies apartheid, it justifies the oppression of the Palestinians. You are making the case to make the Palestinians lives worse.
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Nothing justifies apartheid. You don't fuck over the indigenous people and then say their rebellions justify apartheid. You're just redoing South Africa with some genocide thrown in. It can't last, it didn't last for South Africa and its not going to last for Israel. Its already happening, you can tell by how shrill all the Israeli supporter are.

There are no protests for Israel.
It can't last.
 
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Klatuu said:
Walk your talk, sad Shack


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Shack going on about insincerity and hypocrisy, what a stench coming from this guy.
As if his nonsense will distract from the apartheid state of Israel, evolving into the genocide state of Israel.
This was always the plan, it was always the intent to get rid of all the Palestinians.
The mask is finally coming off.
 
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shack said:
Glad to hear that our local champion of non-violence is advocating that Gazans should keep starting wars.

This proves how insincere and hypocritical you are. 😂 🤪:ROFLMAO::LOL:😅
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I'm saying that your attempt at genocide will just lead to another generation of those who want to fight.
I'm championing a ceasefire and the end of apartheid.

Which of the three paths are you pushing for now?
1) genocide
2) ethnic cleansing
3) ending apartheid
 
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