Israel at war

shack

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Everyone is responsible and accountable for their own actions.

Hamas is responsible for the terror attack, hostage taking and other war crimes they committed.
And therefore responsible for Israel's response (which they knew was coming but didn't care) and right to defend itself. They have declared war on Israel. We are seeing the consequences of war. They knowingly put their own people at risk.

You reap what you sow.


Not sure what you mean here. 80% of countries do not support Israel, because they know that Israel is morally wrong.
Talk is cheap. What actions have they taken to help Gazans? They're not even taking refugees. They talk but do NOTHING to help.

Or are you saying that moral standards are set by the west? Because the west that includes Germany has committed far more acts of agression against the Jews than anyone else.
Morals change continuously. It used to be ok to have slaves. Not now. Germany of 100 years ago is not the Germany of now.

We live our daily lives by the moral standards of the west. Or should we live our lives by Hamas' moral standards.


Where is the justification in my statement for October 7? Point it out to me. Especially because I explicitly called out October 7 as a terrorist attack.
And in the same breath you talk about 75 years of oppression and how that can't be separated from what happened. We can't live in vacuum you. So you say you condemn Oct. 7 and then give justification for it. You can't legitimately talk out of both sides of your mouth.


I am not sure about genocide, but apartheid for sure.
South Africa created it and set the terms. It was discrimination of their own citizens based on skin colour. In ANY country of the world no non-citizens get the same rights as legitimate citizens do.

Are Gazans treated differently than Israelis? Sure. But come up with another term because "by definition" it is not apartheid.

Oh! And by the way, the fact that Israel has instituted measures against Gaza that are oppressive DID NOT HAPPEN IN A VACUUM (Back at ya'.). Rockets were being fired from Gaza.

Amnesty is a joke and is clearly anti-Israeli. Not at all impartial. From Wikipedia:

In 2010 Frank Johansson, the chairman of Amnesty International-Finland called Israel a nilkkimaa, a derogatory term variously translated as "scum state", "creep state" or "punk state".[47][48] Johansson stood by his statement, saying that it was based on Israel's "repeated flouting of international law", and his own personal experiences with Israelis. When asked by a journalist if any other country on earth that could be described in these terms, he said that he could not think of any

In November 2012, Amnesty UK began a disciplinary process against staffer Kristyan Benedict, Amnesty UK campaigns manager, because of a posting on his Twitter account, said to be anti-semitic, regarding three Jewish members of parliament and Operation Pillar of Defense where he wrote: "Louise Ellman, Robert Halfon and Luciana Berger walk into a bar ... each orders a round of B52s .

In the April 2015 annual Amnesty International UK AGM, delegates voted (468 votes to 461) against a motion proposing a campaign against antisemitism in the UK. The debate on the motion formed a consensus that Amnesty should fight "discrimination against all ethnic and religious groups", but were divided over the issue of an anti-racism campaign with a "single focus". The Jewish Chronicle noted that Amnesty International had previously published a report on discrimination against Muslims in Europe. NGO monitor released a statement saying the decision "highlights the hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy of what was once a leader in human rights advocacy


Those are not the words and actions of impartial people.
 

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This is pushed as a war with Hamas. But that is a fake narrative. This is a war to take land from the Palestinians and ethnically cleanse the region off of them.
So you admit this is war and not genocide?

What should the IDF do? Ask Hamas to come to the negotiating table aftee 1400+ were slaughtered? Ground assault? Do nothing?
 
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That actually only proves Israel's intent to bomb civilian establishments that have no military value,
The opposite.

It proves that Israel knows that there are tunnels and/or military in the area and wants to warn civilians to get out of the way.
 
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Oh if they accept LGBTQ people! Why are they racist? Well, look at their opinions, several of which I posted on this thread, regarding the Palestinians. Of course they are racist.
You just labelled the entire Israel racist as a whole...How many Israelis do you know personally? I've been to tel aviv, I've been to Saudi, I've been to Qatar...as an Asian, I haven't been treated badly in all 3...and I know people who live there...and having lived there briefly, I can't come up with an opinion that would deem Israelis, Arabs (Saudi & Qatar) as racist towards another race...
 

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In case the pro palestine mob forgot, Hamas has the power to end the oppression of their “own people”. Painfully obvious Hamas is NOT helping their cause.
 

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The pro palestine mob with yet another example of vandalism, violence, hate crimes. Everywhere you go globally, theyve made it known how tolerant they are.
 

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No. You don't get to excuse war atrocities against innocent people by vaguely saying that the other side does bad things as well.

Smarten up! Own that you support HAMAS - terrorist pigs that should be lined up in front of a fucking wall and shot - and admit that those Israeli hostages need to be released right now!
Nothing vague about what I said. The number of Palestinians held without charge is staggering and dwarfs the number of Israelis held. Add to that the number of Palestinians convicted in Israeli kangaroo courts.

And I’ll throw the accusation right back at you. You don’t get to excuse endless war crimes against an innocent indigenous population with racist outrage about an attack that is nothing but a pin prick compared what has been done to the indigenous population. It’s stomach turning to see the privilege you afford the murderous occupiers.
 
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You just labelled the entire Israel racist as a whole...How many Israelis do you know personally? I've been to tel aviv, I've been to Saudi, I've been to Qatar...as an Asian, I haven't been treated badly in all 3...and I know people who live there...and having lived there briefly, I can't come up with an opinion that would deem Israelis, Arabs (Saudi & Qatar) as racist towards another race...
As I said before, the guys always pointing fingers at others accusing them of being racist are usually massive racists themselves
 
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In case the pro palestine mob forgot, Hamas has the power to end the oppression of their “own people”. Painfully obvious Hamas is NOT helping their cause.
Hamas $$$ are for building tunnels and rockets to fire at Israel....civilians are Israel & UN's responsibility....
this is what Franky, Klatuu & Kautliya defends...
 

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I don't defend Hamas. I only defend Palestinian civilians.

You are defending a state that is killing those civilians indiscriminately.
You did. stating that Hamas happened because palestinians had no choice...yes they do...but here we are now...
 
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No I didn't. I said Hamas and other extremist groups come about, because of military intervention and oppression, because those are used as reasons to recruit fighters to those causes. What do you think a guy in Gaza who just watched his entire family blow up in pieces right in front of him, is likely to do if Hamas were to approach him? Do you think he will leave Israel alone, or pick up arms to atleast kill a few IDF soldiers before he dies?
Except that doesn't happen...a guy doesn't watch his entire family get blown to pieces...he's suppose to evacuate his family away from the warzone....what' he's suppose to do is call out Hamas to stop declaring war vs. Israel for the sake of his family....that's what he should do....
 
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Nabka 2.0

I'm still shocked at seeing people on this board who argued against MAGA and white supremacy all of sudden show overt racial hatred.
Are you shocked that not everybody is an ideologue? Like you.
Are you shocked that not everybody looks at every issue as being left wing or right wing? Like you.
Are you shocked that some people can look at issues based on their own individual merits? Like you.
Are you shocked that some people can distinguish right from wrong? Like you.
Are you shocked that not all people are filled with hate? Like you.
Are you shocked that not everybody sees any moral equivalence between Israel and white supremacy? Like you do.
Are you shocked that you have not influenced one single person one iota to your cause?
Are you shocked that in the last 4 weeks you've wasted about a week of your life accomplishing nothing?
Are you shocked that as more time goes on there are more and more people on TERB calling you out?
Are you shocked that the Oct. 7 terrorist attack is the cause of death and suffering of Gazans.
Are you shocked that Israel was obeying the ceasefire until Oct. 7.
Are you shocked that everybody realizes more Gazans will die until Hamas surrenders and returns the hostages?
Are you shocked that by not agreeing with that you support the death of more Gazans?
Are you shocked that Israel is kicking Hamas' and will win the war?
Are you shocked that this war will accomplish nothing positive for Hamas or Gazans?
Are you shocked that this war that Hamas started and the ensuing result of death and violence is an exercise in futility?

I could go on but those are already more shocks than somebody receives in the electric chair.

If you are shocked by any of these things, but most likely all, you truly clued out and have your head buried in the sand.....just like the MAGA supporters.
 
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