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Kautilya said:
There is no antisemitism in saying that the Israeli lobby has enormous influence in the US, bankrolls US politicians and writes legislation and will go to any length to advance the interests of the Israeli state.
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Potentially true. the anti-semitism comes from people who claim that the Americans in AIPAC are more loyal to Israel than to their own country which is a classic antiemitic trope.


I have never once used the phrase "Jewish Lobby"
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Yet you said
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And she is objectively right. ...
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When responding to her quote that the "JEWISH Lobby has subjugated America."

As I said, many people colloquially use Jewish and Israeli interchangeably
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Which is racist. Is it okay to use Hindu and Indian interchangeably. Is it okay to blame all Muslims for the actions of Iran or Saudi Arabia? Blame all Christians for the Vatican's problematic history?


You were happy to jump on to the blatant antisemitism of this dictator council clown. End of story.
 
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southpaw said:
Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but foreign conflicts should not be brought here.

If you disagree, then quit whining about the Palestinian protestors. They're just sharing their opinion.
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Where have I complained about the freedom of people to protest? I have commented on some anti-Israel posters using antisemitism but last I checked, I have the freedom of speech to criticize others freedom of speech.

But speaking of hypocrisy, you seem quite offended that some Canadians (or Americans) think world issues are important and despite you hatred of pro-Israel advocates, you clearly have no issue with pro-Palestinian advocates.
 
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Frankfooter said:
You are intentionally misquoting people, basketcase, to slander them with accusations of antisemitism.
Kautilya has never said used the words 'Jewish lobby', that is you lying.
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Your hero did, additionally claiming they have subjugated America and K agreed with her.
 
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Frankfooter said:
So what is your common ground?
Declaring that Israel has to kill everyone associated with Hamas?

How have you every advocated for peace, you are against Palestinian rights and against all movements towards peace.
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I know zealots with maximalist opinions and insisting that any disagreement means everyone else is evil aren't able to see compromise but I have consistently held the view that the only way forward is the international community pressures both sides to sit down and work out a deal they can both live with and making it clear to both sides that elimination of the other side isn't going to happen.

I personally think that a two State peace is the most workable (as does Canada, the UN, and the Arab league) but unlike you, I understand that (as the writer in the OP said) I don't have a vote.
 
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Kautilya said:
You just admitted in your prior post that the Israeli lobby had enormous power and influence and exerted control over politicians they bankroll. Its literally on the AIPAC website. Does that mean you are being antisemitic too?
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You agreed with the woman who said the JEWISH LOBBY HAS SUBJUGATED AMERICA and said it's okay to refer to confuse Israeli and Jew.

You've admitted your racism.
 
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Kautilya said:
Given that it is merely colloquialism it is neither racism nor antisemitism.
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Your 'colloquialism " is racist. Anyone who feels the need to conflate members of a religion to nationals of a specific country in effort of demonizing them is racist trash.

So is someone who agrees that Jews have subjugated America.
 
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Kautilya said:
Regardless this has nothing to do with the realities of Gaza and the genocide that is ongoing over there, on which, she produced a very objective report.
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It's irrelevant, right? Lolololololol.

You have readily admitted that you are biased against Israel. As such, you are the last person to judge who or what is or is not objective. You have disqualified yourself from any such discussion.
 
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Kautilya said:
Being biased against Israel, is the neutral position because Israel is WRONG.
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Like I said, you continue to admit that you are totally and utterly biased and as such your opinion is irrelevant anytime that there's a discussion of Israel. You are incapable of being objective.
 
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Kautilya said:
It is not my colloquialism. It is someone else's. She also took back the terminology she used. ...
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You and her are simply looking for excuses for your antisemitic conspiracy theories.

And no, neither you nor her 'took back' her statements or apologized. Instead she made vague statements due exclusively to the public exposure.
 
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southpaw said:
Are the pro-Palestine advocates subverting the democratic process by buying Western politicians? ...
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Yes. At least as much as the pro-Israel lobby. In case you missed it, they are using the Presidential election as a tool to try and change public and governmental policy.

And they are allowed to, just like Jewish Americans are allowed to lobby their government.
 
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