Israel at war
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Who's here taking you seriously ? It's irrelevant what I post here - your opinion will never change
and I bet it was formed before Oct 7. According to you (and I took time to read on you posts from
the past) - Jewish people have no right to self determination, the land of Israel is not their ancestral
land and anything they do is criminal. That pretty much sums up your take.
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Secret KGB documents reveal just how deeply involved the Soviet Union was in the spilling of Israeli blood. The Russian spy agency provided Palestinian terror organizations with funds, training and arms, running agents like 'Krotov' - aka Mahmoud Abbas, 'Aref' - or Yasser Arafat, and...
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Does not take away from the fact that the Palestinians want it. You could similarly discredit Israeli identity by saying it all started only in the 20th century as a European project. Does not take away from the fact that Israelis want it. These types of reasonings dont reflect the reality of today.
Indeed, there are no hostages in Lebanon. Why would Israel attack Lebanon ? Quite a puzzling dilemmaIf you don't want Palestinians to resist the illegal occupation, end the occupation.
The reality is that Jews want to stay and Palis want them gone from the river to the sea. Hasn’t changed since before 1947 except back then Palis were called Arabs.
Debatable. Israelis ethnically cleansed Israel of Palestinians during the war in 48'. So one party is actually guilty and the other guilty of a thought crime, if true. These speculations will not bring peace.
Nope it’s a fact. Even if it’s inconvenient to you.
in 1969, Yasser Arafat became a chairman of the PLO. Consequently, diplomatic connections with sufficient political reach were instituted. After that, it became clear in the West that Arafat accounted for an essential undercover operative for the KGBfor years to come.[6][7]
By the 1970s, with the loss of Soviet influence in Egypt, the Soviet Union sought better relations with Palestinian militants, and Soviet arms and training were provided to militant groups.
The KGB was responsible for arming and training most of the militant groups. The KGBdecided which groups should receive the money and weapons. By 1972, the Soviets had declared the Palestinian movement the vanguard of the Arab liberation movement.[8] In the summer of 1974, a PLO embassy was opened in Moscow.[9] During this time Yasser Arafat had addressed the United Nations and soon the PLO was granted observer status at the UN in 1974.
So the KGB gave money and trained these militant groups? They dont seem to have been responsible for the creation of the Palestinian identity as someone else alluded. The identity has existed for a while.
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It was not an ethnic cleansing which is what I thought you alluded to when you said the Palis want the Jews gone.
When has that identity begun? In Soviet UN speeches around 1947 two parties are called Jews and arabs. Palestinians would have meant both of those.
Atleast as early as 1920 when the entire region was called Mandatory Palestine.
Mandatory Palestine - Wikipedia
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That’s meaningless because it includes Jews and arabs and christians who lived in Levant.Atleast as early as 1920 when the entire region was called Mandatory Palestine.
The first written records referring to Palestine emerged in the 12th-century BCE Twentieth Dynasty of Egypt, which used the term Peleset for a neighboring people or land.Mandatory Palestine - Wikipedia
Palestine (region) - Wikipedia
The issue is when Palestinian arabs become different from other arabs?
Maybe we can agree on 1964 when the PLO was formed? Which makes for atleast 3 generations of Palestinians. We can also agree that it exists today in a very real sense?
