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[WyattEarp]

and if you do not stay in the good graces of the CCP , you disappear
Capitalism is so much easier when you can eliminate the domestic competition

how anyone can deem this a success is bewildering

There are a few members (very few) who are sympathetic of (or let's say charitable to) China. Some will disappointingly deny Hong Kong citizens (and perhaps even Taiwan) agency. This all goes through some progressive ideological mish-mash where the United States represents the Right and a lot of what is bad in the world. Countervailing forces are too be regarded and not judged.

In this morality play in their minds, China was a victim and is now emerging to challenge American and Western hegemony around the world. The reality is China is still a developing country that has achieved a mid-level standard of living for its populace. It's sheer size allows it to project power on the world stage and intimidate its neighbors.

China resembles the Soviet Union more than many would want to admit. China's ability to graft market capitalism with a heavy government hand on to its autocratic governance has allowed it to go from being poor to an industrialized nation in one generation. This development path is actually not unique to China. What makes China different is its sheer size.

The next question is can China and its shaky economy persevere through the next step commonly called the middle income trap. Demographic headwinds caused by the CCP's one child policy will make the challenge greater. The easiest growth is now behind China.

Middle income trap - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[SchlongConery]

I think its because the USA is the worlds most powerful country and our neighbor to the south. The dont care about canada because we are perceived as a weak country

I doubt it. I think it is more of a vicarious symbolic representation of their political views. Or in the case of Trump... just plain Cult Worshippers.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

I never said citizenship should be excluded to a birth right. I stated "I view citizenship as a whole lot more than just a piece of paper in the end." Common definitions discuss rights and responsibilities. Without getting all law and order about it, responsibilities would include following the processes set forth by the country you want to make your new home.

In the end, naturalization should involve more than crossing a border and being automatically cued up for a piece a paper as you describe it. I know a little about how naturalization works in the U.S. when the rules are followed. I don't know how Canada does it, but Canada doesn't have a border problem either.

Naturalization should only involve fulfilment of legal requirements which is the bucket all of what you said falls in.
Which is why I recommended a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants who have been here for many years with ties to the land.
As far as the immigrant is concerned citizenship is indeed a passport.
Which is a piece of paper.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

hmmm ,....... judging someone based on the color of their skin ???
I doubt Dr. King would be proud of you
so what hypocritical standard works for you ?

Ask that question to the right who seem to be applying double standards.

 

[WyattEarp]

I doubt it. I think it is more of a vicarious symbolic representation of their political views. Or in the case of Trump... just plain Cult Worshippers.

You might be making more of it than is really there. I remember Reagan was a popular with many Canadians. Then of course there were liberal Canadians that cursed him.

Canada's interest in U.S. politics would seem to have a lot to do with 90% of Canadians living near the U.S. border. Of course, the inverse isn't even close to being true. I don't know how Canadian television is structured, but I was under the impression most Canadians can watch American news. Other than on-line sources, I have no access to Canadian news.

 

[WyattEarp]

Naturalization should only involve fulfilment of legal requirements which is the bucket all of what you said falls in.
As far as the immigrant is concerned citizenship is indeed a passport.
Which is a piece of paper.

Yes, you are correct a passport is a piece of paper. It's laminated of course. My driver's license which I also use for identification is a plastic card.

I'm glad we could clarify the materials used to produce various forms of identification.

 

[drewstar]

There are a few members (very few) who are sympathetic (or let's say charitable) of China. Some will disappointingly deny Hong Kong citizens (and perhaps even Taiwan) agency. This all goes through some progressive ideological mish-mash where the United States represents the Right and a lot of what is bad in the world. Countervailing forces are too be regarded and not judged.

In this morality play in their minds, China was a victim and is now emerging to challenge American and Western hegemony around the world. The reality is China is still a developing country that has achieved a mid-level standard of living for its populace. It's sheer size allows it to project power on the world stage and intimidate its neighbors.

China resembles the Soviet Union more than many would want to admit. China's ability to graft market capitalism with a heavy government hand on to its autocratic governance has allowed it to go from being poor to an industrialized nation in one generation. This development path is actually not unique to China. What makes China different is its sheer size.

The next question is can China and its shaky economy persevere through the next step commonly called the middle income trap. Demographic headwinds caused by the CCP's one child policy will make the challenge greater. The easiest growth is now behind China.

Middle income trap - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Theres a lot of misconception with China in the west.

As a native Hong Konger, China is most certainly not a developing nation. The infrastructure there absolutely crushes what we have in North America and Europe. The one child policy is also no longer enforced, most in the west are unaware of this.

While it is true that you cannot criticize the govt in China and they have the power to enforce policies as they see fit that even I would disagree with such as their Covid response, there are many social constructs there that I would argue are far superior to western countries. It is natural for America to feel threatened by China hence why they back Taiwan for example. The Americans know what they are doing.

US increased their interest rates in an attempt to screw over China this year, even at the expense of their own ppl. For lack of a better term, US needs China needs more than China needs them with trading as an example. This is why the anti-China narratives are shown time and time again. Look at the olympics - the doping allegations are peak hypocrisy when the stats debunk their narrative and many infamous Americans like Lance Armstrong and Marion Jones were guilty for doping among others.

 

[JohnLarue]

Ask that question to the right who seem to be applying double standards.

no !
i ask it of the person who posted it

are you some kind of racist ?

 

[JohnLarue]

The one child policy is also no longer enforced, most in the west are unaware of this.

it was enforced for long enough to have influence on demographics and the economy as WyattEarp indicated

 

[drewstar]

it was enforced for long enough to have influence on demographics and the economy as WyattEarp indicated

It was, however my point is that you cannot rely solely on western sources for an accurate depiction of many geopolitical talking points even as of today.

 

[JohnLarue]

Theres a lot of misconception with China in the west.
US increased their interest rates in an attempt to screw over China this year, even at the expense of their own ppl.

do not be ridiculous
the US raised their interest rates because U.S. inflation spiked up to unacceptable levels not seen for 40 or 50 years
That interest rate policy decision had nothing to do with an attempt to screw over China.
that inflation cost the democrats the US election

your 'the US is picking on poor China' routine has no credibility

 

[JohnLarue]

It was, however my point is that you cannot rely solely on western sources for an accurate depiction of many geopolitical talking points even as of today.

well western sources are far more credible than you are
re " US increased their interest rates in an attempt to screw over China this year, even at the expense of their own ppl."

if you are going to spread Chinese propaganda you will need to mix in some truth in order to be successful at your mis-information mission

this statement
" US increased their interest rates in an attempt to screw over China this year, even at the expense of their own ppl."
likely works on the Chinese population , but not anyone who is permitted access to economic data and non-state controlled media

thank you for highlighting the evils of communism

 

[drewstar]

do not be ridiculous
the US raised their interest rates because U.S. inflation spiked up to unacceptable levels not seen for 40 or 50 years
That interest rate policy decision had nothing to do with an attempt to screw over China.
that inflation cost the democrats the US election

your 'the US is picking on poor China' routine has no credibility


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You are free to see this talking point as you see fit - the great thing about our country is that we can disagree without having to resort to far left authoritarianism.

Most informed Asian Canadians or Asian Americans have the unique perspective of growing up in a country with western values that are great and while I wouldnt live in China, it doesnt mean all western talking points dont have hidden meaning that everyone can see or even agree with.

 

[drewstar]

well western sources are far more credible than you are
re " US increased their interest rates in an attempt to screw over China this year, even at the expense of their own ppl."

if you are going to spread Chinese propaganda you will need to mix in some truth in order to be successful at your mis-information mission

this statement
" US increased their interest rates in an attempt to screw over China this year, even at the expense of their own ppl."
likely works on the Chinese population , but not anyone who is permitted access to economic data and non-state controlled media

You do realize going down this rabbit hole of claiming misinformation is a left wing tactic right? I wouldnt expect many non-Asians to understand this.

I love Canada, make no mistake. But it doesnt mean US policies are all 100% without multiple factors at play.

 

[JohnLarue]

You do realize going down this rabbit hole of claiming misinformation is a left wing tactic right? I wouldnt expect many non-Asians to understand this.

I love Canada, make no mistake. But it doesnt mean US policies are all 100% without multiple factors at play.

i never claimed misinformation is exclusively a left wing tactic
i just pointed out you were caught blatantly spreading misinformation sympathetic to an evil regime

its not my fault you stated misinformation which was so ridiculously wrong and absurd, while pretending to be credible

 

[drewstar]

i never claimed misinformation is exclusively a left wing tactic
i just pointed out you were caught blatantly spreading misinformation sympathetic to an evil regime

its not my fault you stated misinformation which was so ridiculously wrong and absurd

Dude, believe what you want. I never claimed China or the US had the moral upper hand - taking things at 100% face value is what people who believe only their POV is valid is exactly the problem with Canadian and American MSM. Have a nice day.

 

[JohnLarue]

Dude, believe what you want. I never claimed China or the US had the moral upper hand - taking things at 100% face value is what people who believe only their POV is valid is exactly the problem with Canadian and American MSM. Have a nice day.

dude
you can not claim anything about morality when you post disingenuous false statements

time to change your terb handle again comrade

 

[drewstar]

dude
you can not claim anything about morality when you post disingenuous false statements

time to change your terb handle again comrade

I never changed it before lol. If you believe the US doesnt feel threated by China, then you are living in your own bubble much like the far left lunatics bent out of shape with Trump’s victory.

I have demonstrated time and time again that my values align with that with the majority in North America before you continue acting like you are the sole source of approved information here. You are free to reject my premise, but I will post what I believe is right whether you agree with it or not.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Many of the people you're debating here are not right-wing. At most some are center right.

Many are in fact left-wing (Democrats)... Democrats from the 1990s, not the new pronoun breed. They didn't change, but their party did.

People who were left 30 years ago are right today.
Things change.
If you go further back to the 19th century the Dems were the party of the racists.
The republicans ended slavery for example.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

no !
i ask it of the person who posted it

are you some kind of racist ?

The tactics of immediately throwing the R word around because I dared to question right wing double standards when it comes to characterizing immigrants as citizens vs "citizens" as Wyatt put it.