you were bragging about Trump being so peaceful... well sometimes killing is appropriate.
"Iran cannot have nukes" Trump warns
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No, my post is entirely on point.
The only reason this thread is here is because of the 30 years of crying wolf about Iran being just months away from building nukes and destroying Israel in order to justify war. Attitudes like yours and basketcase are the reason, your claim that Israel needs to protect themselves from everyone they want to attack is the same message AIPAC has their american politicians repeat.
Trump pulled the US out of the JCPOA and just sent more 2000 lb bombs in case they find something they missed in Gaza. He's also talked about supporting ethnic cleansing and having Jared come in to build some luxury beachfront property.
The only question is whether he posted this video on his SM because he's senile or he won't start a war with Iran.
Yes GWB was at war for 8 years. Sept 11 2001 was on his watch, his first year. He was at war the entire time he was president from that moment onward. Obama presided out of the troops leaving iraq. That's not a step down? Look at his casualties v Bush.
Cmon man. This is all publicly available information.
For someone who jumped into this conversation trying to poke holes in my comments you sure are tap dancing right now.When did I say that?
You're the one who brought in Trump and Obama's record back in post 101.
I pointed out that they both started zero wars.
I never said Trump was a war monger and Obama was too nice to even be considered that.
I never brought up Obama's "niceness" at all.
Why would I?
I'm quite fond of experts.
Good find!
This is excellent stuff by your expert.
"Then Trump went on to repeat the very same pirouette from anti-war candidate to endless war president that Obama had performed."
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"By comparison, Trump’s augmentation of the military budget (which he constantly bragged about), his escalation of the use of the Special Forces even beyond the high-water mark Obama reached, and his expansion of the drone empire with ever more strikes, encountered little bipartisan complaint. After all, it was just the policy of the prior two presidents, only more so."
And so on.
It's a good read, and supports my point quite strongly.
No problem with this one either.
I think you posted it earlier.
Again, nothing that contradicts what I've been saying.
Indeed there were.
The whole shift to covert missions and air strikes was a big thing that happened under Obama.
The US's record since 9/11 hasn't been anything to brag about.
Tens of thousands of civilians likely killed by US in ‘Forever Wars’
Airwars tally offers assessment of the direct civilian impact of 20 years of US strikesairwars.org
And Trump loved him some air strikes.
Trump's 100 days: US air campaign hammers Yemen with almost a strike…
US jets and drones have carried out 85 strikes in Yemen since Donald Trump's inauguration, more than in all of 2015 and 2016 combined.www.thebureauinvestigates.com
" More US strikes have hit Yemen in President Donald Trump's first 100 days in office than in all of 2015 and 2016 combined, "
US air wars under Trump: increasingly indiscriminate, increasingly opaque
Lack of transparency over looser rules of engagement is hallmark of administration, writes Julian Borgerwww.theguardian.com
Trump relaxed the whole "try not to kill civilians" thing, too.
Civilian Deaths by US President in Iraq and Syria
The United States and its 13 kinetic allies – part of an international alliance usually known as the Coalition – began an extensive air and artillery campaign against so-called Islamic State in August 2014, after the terror group had occupied large parts of of Iraq and Syria. By the end of...
Civilian Deaths by US President in Somalia
President George W. Bush began a long running and controversial campaign against Islamist terrorists in Somalia, which his successors then continued. Drone strikes and other actions were conducted both by the US military and by the CIA. By the end of President Trump’s term in office in 2021...
Maybe go back and capture the essence of what I was saying and don't just jump in with comments without understand the context of the argument.
Wrong.
Main reason being Obama was in office for 8 years, so those numbers alone are greater than Trump could ever have had.
That's just one point.
No other president in history was at war for 8 years. Obama was. You can make excuses but by definition and stats, he was a war monger. He chose to remain at war for that long.
It must be an inconvenient truth for anyone who is just looking to justify their hatred for Trump and then realizing Obama's record was much worse. Did I mention "Deporter in Chief"?
Don't be hypocritical. Everyone sees through it.
Yeah sure...keep telling yourself that as he makes tremendous progress if it makes you feel better. Peddling lies doesn't help your cause either.
Explains why they turfed the Dems after a single term...people like you and your smug attitude.
Sad.
Yes and that's why Obama did it for longer than any president in US history. He alone holds that distinction.
Now do you understand my point?
No other US president has been at war every year of their presidency. Obama alone holds that distinction. I've already posted that info here several times.
Do you guys read? Or is it too shocking to believe that "nice guy" Obama could really be such a war monger?
Obama alone? So the fact he drew it down and ended involvement made him a war monger? Thats not the definition. In fact the opposite of the definition.
If you know how things work you cannot out 400,000 troops overnight. There are force protection issues too. You're forgiven if you don't know that. But context matters.
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But what is more concerning are these issues.
Nixon inherited the Vietnam war. US combat troops out (1973) just before his resignation (1974), though advisors were left behind and last troops off the roof in 1975. Thus depending how you classify troops and war..every year he had folks fighting.
More clearly, LBJ was at war every year of his presidency.
Kennedy sent first combat advisors and troops his first year, thus every year...
US government fought native Americans after Civil War through 1880s. Thus all president's implicated.
Lincoln was at war every year of his presidency, except last 3 or 4 days.
Please reconsider
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Of course the Shah had a lot of internal support and the Soviets were supportive of the anti-western factions in Iran both before and after. Geopolitics is a multi-layer puzzle and the blame for any conflict includes many local and many world powers, not just the US.
And yes, Iran's nuclear program has been attacked. Meanwhile Iran's military have been very active attacking other countries including Europe, the Caucuses, Africa, and South America. Your argument is the equivalent of punching a guy then pulling a gun when he wants to fight back.
Regardless, as long as Iran wants to be a NPT state, there are obligations and massively accelerating their enrichment to 60% can only be seen as a threat as Iran has no legitimate use for anything over 3.67% right now, not even a 20% research reactor online.
Every post of yours is just hate-spewing propaganda from a guy desperate to protect Iran's government from criticism, just because they want Israel gone as badly as you do.
Yes, they became full citizens, currently active in all areas of Israeli society including government, the courts, and even the military. But that doesn't fit your world view so you just desperately ignore reality.
Unlike you, I don't think explanations are the same as justifications but much of Israeli society is shaped by their experiences. Until the peace deal with Egypt, they lived with the daily threat of military invasion or terror attack and since then, they've lived with the possibility of their neighbours blowing them up on busses.
That doesn't excuse the extremists in Israeli society, any more than the Nakba excuses the extremists in Palestinian society.
Shit, Iran celebrates a massive increase in 60% enrichment and instead of criticizing a completely inflammatory act with no civilian use, you just pretend it's a conspiracy theory.
Yes, stupid Americans who bought into the "genocide Joe" narrative fucked over the Palestinians with a Trump who hates Muslims.
So the proof of your conspiracy is an op/ed from a guy with fringe beliefs?Uh huh ...
I don't mean to say I told you so, but...
foreignpolicy.com
The UN went into Iraq because Saddam's invasion of Kuwait and the second war was Saddam flouting the UN sanctions as an excuse for Western corporations seeing oil profits.
But you have a view that Jews control the world so you won't accept that reality.
I don't ignore the US. Unlike many posters here though, I understand that the US is just one of many players in the game.
And again the insanely anti-Jewish conspiracy theories that Jews control the US.
Just from the past year
Direct
What we know about Iran's latest missile attack on Israel
Iran has launched a missile attack against Israel in retaliation for the killing of militant leaders allied to Tehran.
www.bbc.com
Iran attacks Israel with over 300 drones, missiles: What you need to know
Iran has launched a massive aerial attack on Israel, two weeks after a deadly strike on its consulate in Syria.
indirect
Again, the inversion of history. If Iran doesn't want their aggressive nuclear program targeted, maybe they shouldn't have an aggressive nuclear program.
As you said, the Mullahs are smart and they know exactly what they want out of their nuclear 'ambiguity' and they know exactly how the world could react.
