How Many Gazans Will Have To Die...

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I'm not embarrassed to be on the right side of history, logic and rationality. The bottom line is that no credible organization has called Gaza a genocide. I put forth other examples of genocide, Gaza doesn't compare. Palestinians have been one of the fastest growing populations in the world this century

2005 population
Gaza Strip 1.3 million
West Bank 2.2 million

2024 est. population
Gaza Strip 2.1 million
West Bank 3.325 million (excludes Jewish settlements)

That's an average of 3% growth per year in Gaza and 2.8% in West Bank. Calling this a genocide is an insult to history and to logical thought.
Your numbers come from a US state projection based on previous growth numbers.
They ignore the genocide entirely.

Hasbara propaganda is getting so shitty these days.

 

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I'm not embarrassed to be on the right side of history, logic and rationality. The bottom line is that no credible organization has called Gaza a genocide. I put forth other examples of genocide, Gaza doesn't compare. Palestinians have been one of the fastest growing populations in the world this century

2005 population
Gaza Strip 1.3 million
West Bank 2.2 million

2024 est. population
Gaza Strip 2.1 million
West Bank 3.325 million (excludes Jewish settlements)

That's an average of 3% growth per year in Gaza and 2.8% in West Bank. Calling this a genocide is an insult to history and to logical thought.
Let’s make this as painless as possible for you. What definition of genocide did you use? Provide the source. Surely it’s logical and rational to use a recognized definition
 
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Let’s make this as painless as possible for you. What definition of genocide did you use? Provide the source. Surely it’s logical and rational to use a recognized definition
To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Importantly, the victims of genocide are deliberately targeted - not randomly – because of their real or perceived membership in the group. It should be noted that group doesn't refer to a political group.

Good enough for you? The bolded parts are key because these do not exist. The target is Hamas, a political group, bent on the destruction of the Israel state.
 
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that's a simple cop out , but it doesn't excuse you from sanctioning genocide. How many hostages are still alive now... maybe 40? So just keep killing and starving 1000's of innocent civilians and that's ok? Sick and depraved... simple..
The evidence for famine is pretty slim.

And Hamas installs itself in schools and hospitals, which creates the dilemma that the IDF either takes a risk of collateral damage or gives up attempting to fight HAMAS at all.

If HAMAS survives, then next year there will be a new October 7, and the year after that and so on. All while Western media cheers on the "liberation struggle". It's preferable to have a final war of elimination now and then re build Gaza.
 
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To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Importantly, the victims of genocide are deliberately targeted - not randomly – because of their real or perceived membership in the group. It should be noted that group doesn't refer to a political group.

Good enough for you? The bolded parts are key because these do not exist. The target is Hamas, a political group, bent on the destruction of the Israel state.
I said provide the source.
 

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To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Importantly, the victims of genocide are deliberately targeted - not randomly – because of their real or perceived membership in the group. It should be noted that group doesn't refer to a political group.

Good enough for you? The bolded parts are key because these do not exist. The target is Hamas, a political group, bent on the destruction of the Israel state.
You should read the ICJ submissions from a year ago, there were dozens of pages of quotes. Since then there has been way more, like this video of intent to commit genocide.
That argument died a long time ago.


 
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The evidence for famine is pretty slim.

And Hamas installs itself in schools and hospitals, which creates the dilemma that the IDF either takes a risk of collateral damage or gives up attempting to fight HAMAS at all.

If HAMAS survives, then next year there will be a new October 7, and the year after that and so on. All while Western media cheers on the "liberation struggle". It's preferable to have a final war of elimination now and then re build Gaza.
Bullshit.
You have to be reading only IDF and Netanyahu statements at this point to believe that.



 
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To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Importantly, the victims of genocide are deliberately targeted - not randomly – because of their real or perceived membership in the group. It should be noted that group doesn't refer to a political group.

Good enough for you? The bolded parts are key because these do not exist. The target is Hamas, a political group, bent on the destruction of the Israel state.
OK.... they've completely destroyed all the buildings and infrastructure in Gaza, they've killed between 60,000-100,000 people and now they are starving them by blocking aid. It is obscene that you are still in denial of the genocide. I suppose they could have killed more people faster, but they don't want it to be that obvious that the people who said "Never Again!" are doing it again !
 

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OK.... they've completely destroyed all the buildings and infrastructure in Gaza, they've killed between 60,000-100,000 people and now they are starving them by blocking aid. It is obscene that you are still in denial of the genocide. I suppose they could have killed more people faster, but they don't want it to be that obvious that the people who said "Never Again!" are doing it again !
Maybe they are all just disappointed that Israel hasn't killed them all.

 

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The evidence for famine is pretty slim.

And Hamas installs itself in schools and hospitals, which creates the dilemma that the IDF either takes a risk of collateral damage or gives up attempting to fight HAMAS at all.

If HAMAS survives, then next year there will be a new October 7, and the year after that and so on. All while Western media cheers on the "liberation struggle". It's preferable to have a final war of elimination now and then re build Gaza.
What will you say, you stood by and watched a genocide occur? It's mind boggling that even CNN now confirms what all see it except Israel and its supporters.

This is below humanity...
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How Many Gazans Will Have To Die? As many as Hamas wants, as soon as they release the hostages it will stop.
As long as the Gazans allow HAMAS to embed themselves in GAZA they will continue to die [ not that it would be easy for them to get rid of the Cancer within ]. . Since Hamas is like a spreading weed that seems impossible to eliminate that could mean the killing will continue till every Gazan and every Hamas is dead. Obviously the collateral damage [ Gazans ] is a worthwhile risk to the IDF. With all of this going on probably of all Gazans under 20 years old at least 30% will turn into a terrorist due to their hate for Israel.
 
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As long as the Gazans allow HAMAS to embed themselves in GAZA they will continue to die [ not that it would be easy for them to get rid of the Cancer within ]. . Since Hams is like a spreading weed that seems impossible to eliminate that could mean the killing will continue till every Gazan and every Hamas is dead. Obviously the collateral damage [ Gazans ] is a worthwhile risk to the IDF. With all of this going on probably every Gazan under 20 years old at least 30% will turn into a terrorist due to their hate for Israel.
Hamas are Palestinians who are walled into Gaza along with the rest of them. There is nowhere else for them to go.
No Other Land.

On top of that, they are lesser war criminals than zionists, half of whom apparently believe in genocide as you apparently do as well.
Sure, Palestinians will rightfully hate the zionists who ruled them through apartheid and genocide the ways that Jews hated nazis after WWII.
Bummer.

The problem for you is that everyone now hates zionists the way that they hate nazis.

 
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As long as the Gazans allow HAMAS to embed themselves in GAZA they will continue to die [ not that it would be easy for them to get rid of the Cancer within ]. . Since Hams is like a spreading weed that seems impossible to eliminate that could mean the killing will continue till every Gazan and every Hamas is dead. Obviously the collateral damage [ Gazans ] is a worthwhile risk to the IDF. With all of this going on probably every Gazan under 20 years old at least 30% will turn into a terrorist due to their hate for Israel.
Every accusation by a Ziontologist is a confession
 
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With all of this going on probably every Gazan under 20 years old at least 30% will turn into a terrorist due to their hate for Israel.
I would agree with that but add that you will probably also see a good number of young Israelis much more committed as well. All this war has managed to do I’d deepen the rift and escalate the hate on both sides for the next 100 years.
 

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OK.... they've completely destroyed all the buildings and infrastructure in Gaza, they've killed between 60,000-100,000 people and now they are starving them by blocking aid. It is obscene that you are still in denial of the genocide. I suppose they could have killed more people faster, but they don't want it to be that obvious that the people who said "Never Again!" are doing it again !
Fake body count. They are not starving them either. The aid was being looted by Hamas and other militant gangs. They don't regard human life even if it is their own people. Nobody other than radical leftist academia and anti-Semites at the UN have called it a genocide. The only denial here is your denial of reality and facts.
 
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