What if Ukraine falls? This is no longer a hypothetical question – and it must be answered urgently

squeezer

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Zelensky is a weak leader... all he does is grift...he's about to fall, not Ukraine...the sooner they replace him, the sooner Russia backs off.
That is rich coming from a guy who buys into Trump's grift Ritchie. Zelenskyy's country was illegally invaded and you call him weak. He's standing up to Putin instead of being a yes man and given wealth through Russia, but no, he said NO. Imagine Trump in his position? He would be hiding under his bed with his heel spurs sticking out when found. If anyone should win a Nobel Prize, it is Zelensky.
 
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Only way Russia can totally invade Ukraine is if NATO/US abandons them before that happens, Ukraine will ouster Zelensky, have an election, have a much stronger leader and slowly regain their lands. with US / NATO help of course.
Zelensky is way more popular than trump.
The EU will back Ukraine, they are worried Putin will keep going.
Everyone is moving on from the orange rapist.

 
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If you knocked on your neighbor's door, barge in, and kill his wife and kids, what do you think the courts would do to you?
In this case the courts were sissies self-appointed to the roles of judges and
juries who could only pay the victims to fight the murderer. Criminals at large
very seldom gave themselves in merely because the police suggested them to
report to the nearby police station. And in this case the police force were bogus
with no authority to arrest the fugitive.

You have to be fantasizing to entertain the thoughts of NATO to every bring
Putin to justice, a task only a tad more plausible than doing the same to Trump
and Netanyahu. The best hope of Trump's Euro-poodles by now is for their
master not to take the side of Putin again.
 

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Finland, Poland, and the Baltic states have pulled out of the 1997 Ottawa Treaty which banned all anti-personnel land mines.

Apparently Russia has been using land mines in the conflict with Ukraine.

Poland is already manufacturing land mines for the purpose of seeding with them along their common border with Kaliningrad Oblast, a part of the Russian Federation.

Just in case...
 
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In this case the courts were sissies self-appointed to the roles of judges and
juries who could only pay the victims to fight the murderer. Criminals at large
very seldom gave themselves in merely because the police suggested them to
report to the nearby police station. And in this case the police force were bogus
with no authority to arrest the fugitive.
Are you ok?

You have to be fantasizing to entertain the thoughts of NATO to every bring
Putin to justice, a task only a tad more plausible than doing the same to Trump
and Netanyahu. The best hope of Trump's Euro-poodles by now is for their
master not to take the side of Putin again.
So you agree that Putin and Trump are both criminals, although Putin is a murderer, an invader, and a war criminal?
 

oil&gas

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Are you ok?



So you agree that Putin and Trump are both criminals, although Putin is a murderer, an invader, and a war criminal?
Putin is a war criminal as much as Netanyahu, George W Bush, the
Reagan administration, Richard Nixon and Lyndon Johnson are/were.

Trump's Euro-poodles in NATO are fortunate they are dealing with
a relatively weak criminal. Had they funded the enemies of their
master to fight back to the same degree they finance the Ukraine
proxy war they would have been annihilated.
 
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squeezer

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Putin is a war criminal as much as Netanyahu, George W Bush, the
Reagan administration, Richard Nixon and Lyndon Johnson are/were.

Trump's Euro-poodles in NATO are fortunate they are dealing with
a relatively weak criminal. Had they funded the enemies of their
master to fight back to the same degree they finance the Ukraine
proxy war they would have been annihilated.
Here is how your hero is recruiting Russians for Meat Grinder duty. Keep cheering your hero on, Comrade.

Blood for rubles? Dead troops are quietly boosting Russia’s bottom line
 
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richaceg

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That is rich coming from a guy who buys into Trump's grift Ritchie. Zelenskyy's country was illegally invaded and you call him weak. He's standing up to Putin instead of being a yes man and given wealth through Russia, but no, he said NO. Imagine Trump in his position? He would be hiding under his bed with his heel spurs sticking out when found. If anyone should win a Nobel Prize, it is Zelensky.
Was he? He didn't do fuck all...lol
 

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squeezer

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Putin will eventually answer for his actions...so will zelensky. Stop pretending that one is evil and the other is an angel...l
What exactly has Zelenskyy done? GO ahead, this should be entertaining. OH WAIT, he didn't get on his knees and suck Putin's cock? Is that what you wanted him to do Ritchie?
 

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Ukraine won't fall as that implies some form of Russian air, land and sea dominance that can be sustained over a period of time.
It also implies that the Ukrainian population will just surrender, and the west will accept that as reality.
Not realistic.
Not even the US could maintain complete control of a much weaker countries like Iraq and Afghanistan when they invaded.
Russia does not have the manpower, material or the funds to make occupying the entirety of a large country like Ukraine a realistic option in the long term.
10,000 dead Russians means aid money for Ukraine well spent. Trump's weapon
sales to NATO-Europe is surely going to get more Russians killed.
Russia built 350 net new MBTs last year. USA - 0. EU - 0. PLUS they remanufactured another 900. USA takes 2 years to reman each tank. Why is kill Russians a good thing when there are anywhere from 8-10 Ukraniains killed for each one? That means if Ukraine survives its stock of fighting aged men will be utterly ravaged.
 

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If you knocked on your neighbor's door, barge in, and kill his wife and kids, what do you think the courts would do to you?

What should happen to you?
What happened when the west did that to Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and now Iran?
 

oil&gas

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Russia built 350 net new MBTs last year. USA - 0. EU - 0. PLUS they remanufactured another 900. USA takes 2 years to reman each tank. Why is kill Russians a good thing when there are anywhere from 8-10 Ukraniains killed for each one? That means if Ukraine survives its stock of fighting aged men will be utterly ravaged.
It is a good thing because those who got killed were NOT NATO soldiers
but expendable Ukrainians.

Someday Ukraine will figure out they had been used by the west
to sacrifice their statehood and lives of their citizens all for the
purpose of killing Russians.
 

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Russia built 350 net new MBTs last year. USA - 0. EU - 0. PLUS they remanufactured another 900. USA takes 2 years to reman each tank. Why is kill Russians a good thing when there are anywhere from 8-10 Ukraniains killed for each one? That means if Ukraine survives its stock of fighting aged men will be utterly ravaged.
Firstly, there is not much publicly available data for how many tanks countries build.
And remanufactured? You mean old tanks, painted and re-fueled? lol.
But even if that were true, please explain how 350 tanks is going to help Russia invade the entirety of Ukraine and hold on to them?
And your figures on casualties is also not factual. I asked ChatGPT and here are the casualty figures with sources.
Clearly Russia has had atleast twice as much casualties as Ukraine.
So nice try pushing a narrative that Ukraine is running out of fighting aged men.
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richaceg

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What exactly has Zelenskyy done? GO ahead, this should be entertaining. OH WAIT, he didn't get on his knees and suck Putin's cock? Is that what you wanted him to do Ritchie?
His leadership in Ukraine is riddled with corruption. He is grifting hard to the EU and US for more $$$. Trump already offered to broker a peace deal which he won't do...No surprise...this war is keeping him in office.
But I guess he's great acting pulled more than just your heartstrings...

 

squeezer

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His leadership in Ukraine is riddled with corruption. He is grifting hard to the EU and US for more $$$. Trump already offered to broker a peace deal which he won't do...No surprise...this war is keeping him in office.
But I guess he's great acting pulled more than just your heartstrings...

Trump and Vance were clowns for going after Zelensky in the first place, and now even he is slowly realizing that Putin is the real threat. Funny how his frustration with Putin is growing, yet his followers are still parroting Kremlin propaganda like it's gospel. Why aren’t you listening to your cult leader now?

And spare me the lazy talking points, show me real proof that Zelensky is corrupt. Not vague accusations, not Russian bot garbage. Actual, verifiable facts. You can’t, because they don’t exist. Meanwhile, Russia invades a sovereign country and suddenly it’s the defender that’s the problem? Seriously?

What exactly do you expect a leader to do when their nation is under brutal attack? If Canada were invaded by the U.S., you bet your ass any Canadian PM—Liberal, Conservative, or otherwise would be pleading with the world for weapons, aid, and support to save their people and protect their borders. That’s called leadership under fire.

So again, what specifically has Zelensky done wrong? Don’t just parrot nonsense, bring the receipts. Otherwise, admit you’ve been spoon-fed Kremlin talking points and are too deep in the echo chamber to see it.
 
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