Gizzlaine Maxwell to be pardoned.

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If Ghislaine Maxwell were to receive a pardon, it would send public trust in Donald Trump, already at a historically low point plummeting even further. Such a move would not only outrage much of the American public but also raise serious questions about his motives. It would be widely interpreted as a desperate attempt to prevent Maxwell from testifying or revealing potentially damaging information about him. Maxwell may be Epsteined to keep her off television, away from book deals, and out of the public eye, burying whatever truths she might otherwise disclose.
 
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Vinnie is a king conspiracist! LMAO

"Who Is Lying About Epstein?" - Epstein vs Mossad EXPLOSIVE Debate Over Israeli Intelligence Ties
 

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Indeed. And the age of consent on British Virgin Islands is 16.
So if the girls were 16 or over then the guilty parties are still creeps, but they're not guilty of any crimes

Maybe it’s no capital crime to fuck 16 year old prostitutes that were trafficked by the pimp Epstein to the US Virgin Islands or is it ?
In most circles, most would say that it ain’t cool, whatever the jurisdiction. Lots of hush money paid to keep things quiet, just ask the British Royal Family about the money paid out regarding their dim witted Prince Andrew !
Clinton. Gates, Trump, Dershowitz……on film likely with Epstein neck bone, wishbone snapped clean and not by his own hand!
Epstein and Maxwell were Mossad double agents and Trump is honeytrapped not only Putin but by Netanyahu and others.
 
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They were under the age to be PAID for sex but not the age of consent. So while they broke the law it is not really the same as pedophilia...IMHO Then you have the additional crime of transport for the purposes.
Who is "they" here?
All the women Epstein trafficked?
 

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But it happend on Epstein Island no?
No.
Not exclusively.
And nothing Epstein was arrested for.

Those were in Florida.

There were some in his New York home as well, if I recall. (Not sure if those were included in the charges. I'd have to go digging.)
 
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No.
Not exclusively.
And nothing Epstein was arrested for.

Those were in Florida.

There were some in his New York home as well, if I recall. (Not sure if those were included in the charges. I'd have to go digging.)
Well 18 is pretty retarded for a age of consent, kinda funny how many girls become pornstars in FL lol.
 
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They is contextual. In the first sentence, it refers to those being paid for sex. In the second it refers to those accused of sex crimes. Is that really so complicated?
Given how wildly wrong you appear to be, yes.

I wanted to be sure you were talking about all the girls and not just a subset.
 

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Well 18 is pretty retarded for a age of consent, kinda funny how many girls become pornstars in FL lol.
That's a really quick " the age of consent is stupid" response by you, there.

Since the women went as low as 14 for sure and there is at least one who filed a lawsuit claiming to be 13, your whole "they didn't really do anything illegal" fantasy doesn't hold anyway, unless you are arguing for an even LOWER age of consent.

Should we just fast-forward directly to "actually, it's ephebophilia"?
 
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That's a really quick " the age of consent is stupid" response by you, there.

Since the women went as low as 14 for sure and there is at least one who filed a lawsuit claiming to be 13, your whole "they didn't really do anything illegal" fantasy doesn't hold anyway, unless you are arguing for an even LOWER age of consent.

Should we just fast-forward directly to "actually, it's ephebophilia"?
I am only familar with the ones that were around 17 that were covered extensively. `13-`14 I have no problem with that being highly illegal. I think probably 14-16 is probably not a bad choice for age of consent with all the caveats of position of power, coercion etc. Kids these day are typically pretty aware at age 16.
 

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Maybe it’s no capital crime to fuck 16 year old prostitutes that were trafficked by the pimp Epstein to the British Virgin Islands or is it ?
In most circles, most would say that it ain’t cool, whatever the jurisdiction. Lots of hush money paid to keep things quiet, just ask the British Royal Family about the money paid out regarding their dim witted Prince Andrew !
Clinton. Gates, Trump, Dershowitz……on film likely with Epstein neck bone, wishbone snapped clean and not by his own hand!
I agree with most of this, except Gates at least admits he messed up. I don't believe every guy who visited the island is guilty of anything, although I would put that at 70% guilty and 30% didn't partake.



Epstein and Maxwell were Mossad double agents and Trump is honeytrapped not only Putin but by Netanyahu and others.
This is a complete conspiracy theory mixed with extra nonsense. LOL
 

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I agree with most of this, except Gates at least admits he messed up. I don't believe every guy who visited the island is guilty of anything, although I would put that at 70% guilty and 30% didn't partake.


There used to be a charge of “found in a common bawdy house “. A single visit to Epstein’s Sex island might be given the benefit of the doubt, but more than one visit and certainly multiple visits strongly implies partaking.


This is a complete conspiracy theory mixed with extra nonsense. LOL
There used to be a charge of “found in a common bawdy house “. A single visit to Epstein’s Sex island might be given the benefit of the doubt, but more than one visit and certainly multiple visits strongly implies partaking.

Trump has shown that he can be controlled and honeytrapped by foreign governments as we are seeing now and have seen in the past. This is not a conspiracy theory.
 
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Trump has shown that he can be controlled.

Trump can be “controlled” with nothing more than flattery, just tell him how great he is, and he’s all yours. It really doesn’t take much more than that.

As for Epstein, he was an extremely wealthy man who used his money and connections to surround himself with other rich and powerful individuals to advance his own interests. He had money, influence, and a disturbing appetite for young girls, period.

Leaping to the idea that he was a Mossad agent just because he was Jewish is not only baseless, it’s borderline conspiratorial nonsense. Let’s not confuse real-world corruption and exploitation with lazy, antisemitic tropes.
 
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Trump can be “controlled” with nothing more than flattery, just tell him how great he is, and he’s all yours. It really doesn’t take much more than that.

As for Epstein, he was an extremely wealthy man who used his money and connections to surround himself with other rich and powerful individuals to advance his own interests. He had money, influence, and a disturbing appetite for young girls, period.

Leaping to the idea that he was a Mossad agent just because he was Jewish is not only baseless, it’s borderline conspiratorial nonsense. Let’s not confuse real-world corruption and exploitation with lazy, antisemitic tropes.
Epstein‘s religion or there lack of was not mentioned in this post until you mentioned it and you are being conveniently
obtuse for whatever reasons !

The facts are that both Epstein, Maxwell and her father the late Robert Maxwell all did work for the Mossad at one time. Obviously the Mossad is a very clever machine wouldn’t say ?
Israel is very adept at surviving and is constantly taking steps to ensure their survival.. It was one hell to form the state of Israel in the first place .
 
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No.
Not exclusively.
And nothing Epstein was arrested for.

Those were in Florida.

There were some in his New York home as well, if I recall. (Not sure if those were included in the charges. I'd have to go digging.)
But Ghislaine Maxwell is in prison for trafficking minors.
Are you trying to argue that she did that alone and that Epstein wasn't involved?
What about the charges of rape of a 13 year old by Epstein and trump, though they managed to get those charges dropped later?


 

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There used to be a charge of “found in a common bawdy house “. A single visit to Epstein’s Sex island might be given the benefit of the doubt, but more than one visit and certainly multiple visits strongly implies partaking.
Why?
Did the island exist only as a bawdy house?
 

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Trump can be “controlled” with nothing more than flattery, just tell him how great he is, and he’s all yours. It really doesn’t take much more than that.

As for Epstein, he was an extremely wealthy man who used his money and connections to surround himself with other rich and powerful individuals to advance his own interests. He had money, influence, and a disturbing appetite for young girls, period.

Leaping to the idea that he was a Mossad agent just because he was Jewish is not only baseless, it’s borderline conspiratorial nonsense. Let’s not confuse real-world corruption and exploitation with lazy, antisemitic tropes.
Maxwell's father was Mossad, and there are records of 34 visits to Epstein by Israel's PM at the time.
Those links won't go away in this conversation.

 
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Why?
Did the island exist only as a bawdy house?
Perhaps its time for some research.
(they say that of the 200 phones they tracked trump didn't visit after 2008 and Epstein's first trial)

 
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