It's a good thing he did otherwise she would have gotten away with it.
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Not really, regret after the fact does not mean it was NC. Lots of people do stupid things they regret.
Yeah whatever. Convincing like "we have been dating for 2 months, why don't you want have sex with me?". There is pressure in relationships, pressure to move forward, pressure to make commitments, pressure to get married, pressure to have kids etc etc etc. Power is a huge part of most relationships, its not a effin Hallmark romance.
That is possible.
It is also possible consent wasn't enthusiastic.
Anyway this is why rape cases are so hard to convict.
That is not what happened here.
This girl just met this guy and had a one night stand.
And in your example, asking that question about why there has been no sex after 2 months isn't pressure.
That is the kind of question you'd need to ask to obtain consent and clarify where the relationship is going.
You aren't convincing here, you are asking.
Judge says it was...And..And..Wait for it...She was actually present during the entire trial.
She saw first hand how E.M. looked and how she answered all of the questions asked to her...Whereas you did not...You just know what you're reading and listening too. Couple that with your ingrained believe all women bias and viola instant preconceived verdict.
I didn't form an opinion about whether the prosecution or the defense evidence was more believable. In my opinion, there was insufficient evidence that a guilty verdict could be reached, because after all was said and done, I still had reasonable doubt. That's all that SHOULD matter, in a criminal trial.
Yes the judge said she had real issues with credibility and reliability of E.M. and there was consent here.
That's a wrap.
The judge's comment specifically was:
“This is not a finding that the sexual activity was consensual, but rather that I am left with a reasonable doubt.”
So, it is possible the guys just took advantage of her.
As I said, it is difficult to ascertain this in court as courts rely on objective proof.
So much of consent is non-verbal, and emotional in nature and what the girl said and how she felt are very different things.
The latter cannot be proven in a court, which is why it is so difficult to convict rapes.
Thank god our criminal code wasn't written by guys who think like you.
Masturbating in a room full of guys, saying “so is someone going to f—-me or what?..LOL.
That's a lot of reasonable doubt.
Remember consent has to be enthusiastic ("Is someone going to f**k me or what") and continuous (no evidence of that happening here).
And a large part of consent is non-verbal.
If both conditions aren't satisfied, consent is likely to not have been present.
But it is difficult/impossible to prove/disprove the non-verbal bit.
Now you're just going on about hypotheticals and how everything is ultimately provable or unprovable, splitting hairs to no end.
So what's your point then?
At least you acknowledged that the consent was enthusiastic....VERY enthusiastic.
How about, have you ever tastes cum? You should try it. What % of girls are super enthusiastic about CIM of COF the first time. There is a lot of expanding breaking down barriers in everyones sex life. What about first anal? I kinda had to convince girlfriends to try anal. Is that rape?
Even if the girl is DYING to swallow she will might put on a front like its her first time as she does not wanna appear too slutty.
Sure, am not making a judgement on whether or not it was consensual.
I am saying it is likely that consent wasn't exactly obtained the way it should and these guys just ran a train on her.
You need to ask the girl, and if she says no, let it be.
Yes you can explore pushing boundaries but you need to talk it through before the act and ensure there is consent.
The fact these guys made a video after the fact, is sus.
