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If they're so much better than ICE vehicles (just listen to anyone who owns an EV), why aren't people lining up to buy them?

Mercedes sums it up with this statement. “Customers and market conditions will set the pace of the transformation,” Mercedes said in its report. “The company plans to be in a position to cater to different customer needs, whether it’s an all-electric drivetrain or an electrified combustion engine, until well into the 2030s.” Not some government arbitrarily picking a date to ban the sale of ICE vehicles. Lunacy!

https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/22/24080220/mercedes-benz-ev-only-sales-2030-back-off


Why Major Car Manufacturers are Slowing Production of Electric Vehicles.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/w...s-are-slowing-production-of-electric-vehicles

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/19/business/ford-trimming-ev-pickup-production/index.html


Why is Hertz selling all their Teslas?

As the new car prices dropped, the residual value of Hertz's used Teslas went down as well. That and the higher than expected repair costs are the main factors in their decision.

Here's the thing. Currently, the ICE vehicle the most convenient vehicle to operate. Travel anywhere, gas stations are plenty, no range anxiety, no fear of reduced range in cold temperatures, no fear of expensive battery replacement, no problem if you only have street parking and takes about 5 minutes to fill up. People aren't going to snap up EVs en masse until their (legitimate) concerns are eliminated.
 
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- Poor build quality with panel gaps and what not.
- Heavy vehicles which take a toll on tires and associated costs.
- Very software heavy and a small bug could pretty much crash you.
- Poor range performance in cold conditions.
- No soul - there is something about an ICE vehicle's vibrations, sound and experience that cannot be topped by an EV which feels like an iPad on wheels. They try to sell the acceleration bit but that isn't the only part of the driving experience.
- Too expensive for anyone to buy. Insurance is also higher.
- Environmentally unfriendly - Those Lithium ion batteries are toxic.
- And the biggest problem of all - charging. There simply aren't enough charge stations and even when there are, charging is by orders of magnitude slower than filling up a gas tank. So that causes range anxiety.
- Elon Musk and his rightie circle jerk.
 
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Ironically many who support many of Musk’s right wing ideologies are antI- EV.
I don’t discriminate as I have banged one Tesla driving lady a good number of time and another lady that drives a gas guzzling Escalade twice with not to much difference in their performance.

EVs are constantly evolving but have a long way to go yet. The right wing antI- EV cabal and the left wing pro-EV woke cabal are themselves toxic resulting in a predictable two dimensional arguments which encourages opportunistic politicians to set impractical, uneconomical and even dangerous to the environment goals.The third dimension should include rationality and pragmatism.

China has a massive graveyard of brand new EV vehicles that will likely never be used.

Where will the energy come from to charge these batteries and how will they be disposed of or recycled without raping the ecosystem. What about the plans for a necessarily massive upgrade to the power grid ?
 
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Kautilya said:
- Poor build quality with panel gaps and what not.
- Heavy vehicles which take a toll on tires and associated costs.
- Very software heavy and a small bug could pretty much crash you.
- Poor range performance in cold conditions.
- No soul - there is something about an ICE vehicle's vibrations, sound and experience that cannot be topped by an EV which feels like an iPad on wheels. They try to sell the acceleration bit but that isn't the only part of the driving experience.
- Too expensive for anyone to buy. Insurance is also higher.
- Environmentally unfriendly - Those Lithium ion batteries are toxic.
- And the biggest problem of all - charging. There simply aren't enough charge stations and even when there are, charging is by orders of magnitude slower than filling up a gas tank. So that causes range anxiety.
- Elon Musk and his rightie circle jerk.
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Add to the fact in big cities like Toronto many older homes have no driveway, only street parking.
And a ton of condos and apartment buildings.
So, how is a person going to charge their car overnight when parked on the street?
How are condos and apartments going to supply chargers? I read 1 report that putting in chargers in existing condos was about $35-40,000/charger. Who is going to flip the bill for that?
Just not feasible for big city dwellers.
 
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lomotil said:
Ironically many who support many of Musk’s right wing ideologies are antI- EV.
I don’t discriminate as I have banged one Tesla driving lady a good number of time and another lady that drives a gas guzzling Escalade twice with not to much difference in their performance.

EVs are constantly evolving but have a long way to go yet. The right wing antI- EV cabal and the left wing pro-EV woke cabal are themselves toxic resulting in a predictable two dimensional arguments which encourages opportunistic politicians to set impractical, uneconomical and even dangerous to the environment goals.The third dimension should include rationality and pragmatism.

China has a massive graveyard of brand new EV vehicles that will likely never be used.

Where will the energy come from to charge these batteries and how will they be disposed of or recycled without raping the ecosystem. What about the plans for a necessarily massive upgrade to the power grid ?
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I don't feel those on the right are anti-EV- they're anti government mandated EV. Consumers should be the one's to decide if EV's are a better option for them in a free market society. Build a better product than what's currently available and people will buy it by CHOICE.
 
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GameBoy27 said:
If they're so much better than ICE vehicles (just listen to anyone who owns an EV), why aren't people lining up to buy them?

Mercedes sums it up with this statement. “Customers and market conditions will set the pace of the transformation,” Mercedes said in its report. “The company plans to be in a position to cater to different customer needs, whether it’s an all-electric drivetrain or an electrified combustion engine, until well into the 2030s.” Not some government arbitrarily picking a date to ban the sale of ICE vehicles. Lunacy!

https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/22/24080220/mercedes-benz-ev-only-sales-2030-back-off


Why Major Car Manufacturers are Slowing Production of Electric Vehicles.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/w...s-are-slowing-production-of-electric-vehicles

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/19/business/ford-trimming-ev-pickup-production/index.html


Why is Hertz selling all their Teslas?

As the new car prices dropped, the residual value of Hertz's used Teslas went down as well That and the higher than expected repair costs are the main factors in their decision.

Here's the thing. Currently, the ICE vehicle the most convenient vehicle to operate. Travel anywhere, gas stations are plenty, no range anxiety, no fear of reduced range in cold temperatures, no fear of expensive battery replacement, no problem if you only have street parking and takes about 5 minutes to fill up. People aren't going to snap up EVs en masse until their (legitimate) concerns are eliminated.
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Also re: Hertz, their EV's were usually rented by travellers at locations where they were unfamiliar with where to get the EV's charged. Very nerve-wracking as the charge level indicator keeps dropping and the client had no idea where to get the battery charged back up...
 
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On the NBC 6:30 news tonight with Lester Holt there was a segment about how the used car value of Teslas has dropped by over 30% this year. (as opposed to the average 3% decline in value of all used cars because the used car shortage in general has resolved to a large extent)

Apparently, on top of all the other issues with used EV's, Tesla keeps reducing the price of their new cars to spur demand, which is killing the value of their used cars.
 
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kirknewton said:
With any new technology it takes time to perfect it.
I wouldn't be surprised if they came up with a system that charges the battery while you drive as the wheels are turning.
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Energy can neither be created, nor destroyed. If you want to put energy into charging your battery, you'd have to take that energy from somewhere, and in this case it would be the speed of the car. Which means you'd have to recover extra energy from the batteries to maintain the speed. But since there are other losses such as friction, drag and what not, you'd actually expend more energy maintaining the speed of the car, than the energy you generate.

Which is why batteries are charged, when the car brakes and slows down, (because we want them to slow down) which we call regenerative braking, which EVs already have.
 
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With any new technology it takes time to perfect it.
I wouldn't be surprised if they came up with a system that charges the battery while you drive as the wheels are turning.
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This is a joke right? Please be a joke. The first law of thermodynamics prevents this from being possible.
 
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Toyota is banking on hydrogen fueled cars

www.google.ca

Toyota wants hydrogen to succeed so bad it’s practically paying people to buy the Mirai | TechCrunch

Toyota is offering some amazing deals for its hydrogen fuel cell-powered Mirai. That is, if customers can find the hydrogen to power it.
www.google.ca www.google.ca
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I remember when we first started hearing about alternative fuel vehicles and there was a time when everyone thought hydrogen-powered vehicles were going to be the answer. Governor Schwarzenegger was promising to build a hydrogen-fuelling corridor in California.

But then somewhere along the way electric vehicles displaced hydrogen powered cars as the way to go.

Who knows what will happen in the future? Maybe it won’t just be one answer? Maybe different fuelling options will work better for different uses?

Anyway, I think it’s good that everyone has not just settled on one solution yet. I would still like to see Ontario open more electric charging stations before I committed to going full electric…and maybe also return the tax rebate that Ontario used to offer on the purchase of new electric vehicles.
 
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Add to the fact in big cities like Toronto many older homes have no driveway, only street parking.
And a ton of condos and apartment buildings.
So, how is a person going to charge their car overnight when parked on the street?
How are condos and apartments going to supply chargers? I read 1 report that putting in chargers in existing condos was about $35-40,000/charger. Who is going to flip the bill for that?
Just not feasible for big city dwellers.
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They'll just tell those city dwellers to take transit. Sympathy for car owners is almost zero.
 
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It was a while ago, but I recall seeing a report on the news of a plan that was being worked on to solve the charging problem. When the charge in your car battery is getting low you would head to a service center(similar to a Speedy or Midas) and the technicians simply remove your battery and put in a fully charged one. I don't know how payment would work.
 
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tml said:
It was a while ago, but I recall seeing a report on the news of a plan that was being worked on to solve the charging problem. When the charge in your car battery is getting low you would head to a service center(similar to a Speedy or Midas) and the technicians simply remove your battery and put in a fully charged one. I don't know how payment would work.
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Obviously the EV driver served would have to make payment for the battery and
services. For construction of and running this type of EV service centers I guess
no one other than the government which means us taxpayers will pay for it.
 
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