How much overlap is there between SW's and freelance models?

TheQuestion

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Hey guys,

Lately I've been getting involved in photography. I notice some models will be on tour similar to escorts. What's surprising is that they'll be at Tulum, Bali and Jamaica...etc. All these places are quite expensive.

Moreover, most photographers pay very little if at all to work with the models most do what is known as Trade for Print they'll take pictures of the models in exchange of keeping some for themselves.

I also noticed that modeling is similar to doing an internship, a lot of models will be part of a brand/group but they won't be getting paid.

Any way, I did find one of the models I will be working with had an SA account.

Just wanted to hear your thoughts?
 

Oliverleo

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Hey guys,

Lately I've been getting involved in photography. I notice some models will be on tour similar to escorts. What's surprising is that they'll be at Tulum, Bali and Jamaica...etc. All these places are quite expensive.

Moreover, most photographers pay very little if at all to work with the models most do what is known as Trade for Print they'll take pictures of the models in exchange of keeping some for themselves.

I also noticed that modeling is similar to doing an internship, a lot of models will be part of a brand/group but they won't be getting paid.

Any way, I did find one of the models I will be working with had an SA account.

Just wanted to hear your thoughts?
There definitely seems to be some overlap between freelance modeling and SW, especially with travel schedules and the kinds of gigs they take. A lot of models likely use multiple platforms for different opportunities, especially since the pay in modeling can be so inconsistent. For some, having an SA account or similar might be a way to make connections or find support between unpaid gigs. It's an evolving industry for sure might be worth chatting with some models to see how they balance it all.
 

oakvilleguy

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I’d like to help out a freelance model. Pls send them my way.
 

Oliverleo

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I’d like to help out a freelance model. Pls send them my way.
Haha, sounds like you’re ready to lend a hand. You might consider joining some modeling networks or checking platforms Model Mayhem where freelance models often showcase their work and share booking info. I’m sure your support will be appreciated.
 

Oliverleo

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I used "freelance model" as an occupation description while being an SP.
Ah, got it, That makes sense freelance model definitely works as a versatile description. It probably helped with keeping things more professional and discreet too. Have you found that it opens different doors or connects you with more people?
 
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Ah, got it, That makes sense freelance model definitely works as a versatile description. It probably helped with keeping things more professional and discreet too. Have you found that it opens different doors or connects you with more people?
A lot of guys with cameras who want to hook up with models wanted to connect with me. 😄 I felt most people inferred what I actually did anyway. I do have a civilian job as well now, so that is what I list as an occupation alone. Makes life much easier, I'm very big on privacy and discretion.
 

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A lot of guys with cameras who want to hook up with models wanted to connect with me. 😄 I felt most people inferred what I actually did anyway. I do have a civilian job as well now, so that is what I list as an occupation alone. Makes life much easier, I'm very big on privacy and discretion.
Sounds like you've navigated that balance well! It’s smart to prioritize privacy and keep things clear-cut, especially with a civilian job in the mix. It’s interesting that people seemed to pick up on the vibe even with the freelance model label. Glad you found what works best for you it’s all about what keeps life smooth and stress-free.
 
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I used "freelance model" as an occupation description while being an SP.
Thanks for your answer. If you don't mind a follow up question. How common would be for a photographer to ask to a model maybe to sugar date, PPM. Given your experiences as a model did it happen to your or to other models?
 
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Thanks for your answer. If you don't mind a follow up question. How common would be for a photographer to ask to a model maybe to sugar date, PPM. Given your experiences as a model did it happen to your or to other models?
Back when I was doing photography, it was a thing the models constantly complained about - just how often "Guy with Camera" was really only looking to fuck them.
 
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As a fashion / editorial photographer that's been in the industry for 25+ years.... there's some of overlap and there's very little overlap, at the same time. The modelling community is very small and talks, internationally. Like @Valcazar said, the "Guy with a camera trying to fuck models" is a serious thing that's really looked down on, and that guy will quickly find himself not having the opportunity to work with serious models. Serious models don't really SP on the side. Or, at least, in the sense we generally talk about - they for sure fuck for opportunities and such. It's a sad reality in this business. Having said that, most "serious" photographers in the industry won't actually work with a model unless there's someone else in the room, specifically because we don't want allegations or shenanigans because it would destroy our career. Generally we're working with an Editor, HMUA, assistants, and such so..... yeah, there's no opportunity in the shoot. There's a ton of photographers that won't initiate something, but will go along with a willing model - but that's pretty rare, honestly.

Then there's the "I'm trying to be a serious model but not putting in the effort to actually be a good model and just surfing on the `I'm hot` train" and they don't get as much work as good models and they will supplement with SP work on the side on their tours. Generally, those models might be touring, but they're not really successful as a model, realistically, so they're really just SP supplementing with modelling.

TLDR: if, as a photographer, you want to work with good quality models and actually get a chance to work with big brands and such, keep your dick in your pants.
 
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Filing under my ongoing "Ways Guys on TERB Try to Score free Pussy" thread.

Serious professions require serious people. Both photographer and model. Been in the Ad game my whole career and you can sniff out the "posers / in it for pussy / it it for laughs / in it seriously" on all sides pretty quickly on photoshoots or when checking portfolios! Modelling and photography can pay or can NOT pay. Really depends on your business mindset.
 

TheQuestion

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Hey guys,

Thanks for your replies. I think we are seeing things from you guys who seem to be more serious about photography and want to work with big magazines. It's clear to me that guys like yourself who are serious about the craft or who are doing it to get a more medium sized business going, should not try to date models..etc.


At the same time, I was talking more about guys who get into photography as a hobby or small side gig. Primarily guys because of wanting to get laid or be invited to parties. It would be about the "lifestyle." For instance, a while back, I was talking with an acquaintance who was telling us he made it to one of the sports illustrated/playboy parties because he was a photographer.


Also on Instagram there are guys/photographers who organize "events" at islands or exotic locations(hotels, resorts). I saw the models who were going to attend and a bunch of them had OF and there was even one porn star who went there. Those guys say it's going to be a "photography event." Hence, I was wondering what exactly was going on are those guys "known" in the photography industry do they have their own "niche." Or are they adult content creators calling themselves photographers?
 

frolickInTheCity

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At the same time, I was talking more about guys who get into photography as a hobby or small side gig. Primarily guys because of wanting to get laid or be invited to parties. It would be about the "lifestyle." For instance, a while back, I was talking with an acquaintance who was telling us he made it to one of the sports illustrated/playboy parties because he was a photographer.
They heyday of "the lifestyle" as your imagining - and I say this because of the questions you're asking - is long gone. Photography, today, is an oversaturated market as is. There's easier ways to get laid - get good at an instrument, etc. Any idiot with some cash can pick up a camera, and any camera made within the last, I dunno, seven to thirteen years will take a technically decent photo on auto mode. If you're looking to get good enough as a photographer to be getting invited to actual industry parties, you're very quickly gonna run into having to deal with the question of, are you limiting your opportunities by thinking with both your heads? The truth is, these days, the difference between a great photographer, and an amazing photographer is often not the pictures, but the professionalism they bring to the table. Yes, the skill has to be there, but let's be honest, learning to take good pictures is not as hard as other things. What's hard, what gets you calls and the job, the thing that keeps editors, brands, etc., coming back to you, is your personality, charisma, attitude, and professionalism. Its your ability to deal with people in "difficult" situations. I've seen young photographers that are far more passionate than I was, at their age, producing work WAY above what I was producing at their age - again, today's technological advantage is huge. But I'm still the one getting the calls, and it's not because my pictures are orders of magnitude better than theirs.

So can you get good enough to get invited to a "sports illustrated/playboy" party? Sure. Is that your goal? Totally fine if it is.

My point is, why are you in the game? Because the level you want to get to will tell you how you need to behave. And your behaviour will impose a ceiling on where you can go and who you can hobnob with. You want to go to OF model parties? Cool, and nothing wrong with that (or those parties!). I bet you it's a lot easier to get into than you think. Tons of chicks out there wanting a dude to do all the hard work, and for them to pose/fuck and then rake in the money. Make content, get connections, bam, you're there. But why are you there? To fuck those models? Because it's a lot less effort to bang equally hot SPs. lolol

Also on Instagram there are guys/photographers who organize "events" at islands or exotic locations(hotels, resorts). I saw the models who were going to attend and a bunch of them had OF and there was even one porn star who went there. Those guys say it's going to be a "photography event." Hence, I was wondering what exactly was going on are those guys "known" in the photography industry do they have their own "niche." Or are they adult content creators calling themselves photographers?
Yes, we call them porn producers, or event organizers, or dudes spending money trying to get laid and paid. Imagine having to organize, invite, and host a massive event to get laid, fucking lol

In all seriousness, your question doesn't make sense. There's no "photography industry." There's sport photography, editorial, fashion, portaiture, commercial, etc., etc., etc. There's tons of niches and it's rare that a photographer does everything. It's not one big industry - as much as the gear-focused YT content creators would want you to believe. I can tell you that I don't know any photographers in my side of the fashion industry that throw the kind of events or parties you're talking about themselves. If you're connected, you get invited to parties thrown by brands and other outfits, and then, just like in every walk of life, if you're likeable, and charismatic, and people want you around, you get to go to the afterparties or you host small afterparty that people attend, and whether the people have OF or not, sex happens.

Equally there's an adult content niche where those photographers and videographers attend parties and, from what I've heard, it can be a wild time. But, again, that's not because everybody fucks at those parties; the people who fuck are the people who would fuck at other parties too - maybe it's a bit easier, but likely not much. But the rest of your days are stuck shooting porn or being around the porn industry which, nothing wrong with that, but, man, I absolutely do not want the desensitization to sex that comes with having that job. My job has me seeing tons of high end, beautiful models naked all the time, and every time I see them naked, my heart still jumps because the sexyness, and sultriness, and beauty hasn't left for me.
 
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