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Frankfooter said:
Ah, the pedantic prof presence raises its head again.

Yes, if this were an academic paper I would more accurately state that he cherry picked data, put it out of context and used them to create a misleading claim. But this being the politics board I just did a 'your numbers are wrong because.....'
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You didn't even do that.

You challenged him that his chart was wrong by showing a different chart.

That isn't "I'm not being academic", that was you trying to imply he was lying about his numbers.

You could have - very easily - made your point right away that in perspective the numbers are down.
Indeed you should, since I think it is an important point.
Instead you decided to go with a different approach and then got upset when I pointed out the discrepency.

IT also fucked you over, because by making your original pitch an implication he had the wrong numbers, you look like an ass when it turned out he didn't.

It's not about academic precision, it's about you choosing a really bad way to make your point.

Note that we also don't use Chicago or API formatting here, that the xitter is as acceptable as peer assessed journals in this pay to publish era and no person has final say over what passes and fails, other than the mods.

Your criticisms are noted but will be ignored for the purpose of this format of discussion.
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Got it.
You will lean in on bullshit and don't appreciate it being called out.

That's fine.
I answer these rhetorical questions users put here to clarify the graphs and numbers people use.
 
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bver_hunter said:
You are constantly posting that same crap.

But here is the actual fact about Canada's GDP:



https://macleans.ca/economy/why-canadas-economy-is-just-fine/

The right wing press will always paint a gloomy picture no matter what the facts really are. If it was not for the tariffs Canada's GDP growth rate would have been the best among the G7 Nations

Canada's economy better than expected in last quarter of 2024, new numbers show
Statistics Canada says real GDP rose 2.6% on an annualized basis in Q4, after forecast of 1.8%


Compare it to 2015 when the Harper Conservatives left this economy:

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More income fairness so everyone is equally poor. Great.

The chart I post is all you need to know unless you also want one of fleeing foreign investment - because it encompasses Trudeau's entire term - and you are trying to reference a single year in which GDP per capita is ahead of a few in the g7 - big shit. The cumulative Liberal performance over 10 years is atrocious. A true lost decade.
 
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mdo2886 said:
Nice read professor - actually high turnouts almost always favour the non-incumbent.
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Is that true in the context of Canadian elections?

It's plausible, of course. Do you have some evidence?
 
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Frankfooter said:
Nah, crime has been stable and not a real worry for a while now.
Canada is very safe.

You are cherry picking stats.
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How Canada became a car theft capital of the world

From installing bollards to hiring private security, fed up Canadians are trying new ways to safeguard their cars.
www.bbc.com

" Early this summer, Interpol listed Canada among the top 10 worst countries for car thefts out of 137 in its database - a “remarkable” feat, said a spokesperson, considering the country only began integrating their data with the international police organisation in February. "

Why do Liberals hate facts so much? Are you entirely without a brain?
 
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How Canada became a car theft capital of the world

From installing bollards to hiring private security, fed up Canadians are trying new ways to safeguard their cars.
www.bbc.com

" Early this summer, Interpol listed Canada among the top 10 worst countries for car thefts out of 137 in its database - a “remarkable” feat, said a spokesperson, considering the country only began integrating their data with the international police organisation in February. "

Why do Liberals hate facts so much? Are you entirely without a brain?
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Even car theft has been declining from new fed programs started by Trudeau.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1850949470898332086
 
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Back in January, before Trump opened his big mouth about Canada as the 51st State, it looked like the Conservatives' greatest landslide victory in Canadian history. We were talking about a 220-seat majority for the Conservatives.
 
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glamphotographer said:
Back in January, before Trump opened his big mouth about Canada as the 51st State, it looked like the Conservatives' greatest landslide victory in Canadian history. We were talking about a 220-seat majority for the Conservatives.
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Nobody has yet made a coherent argument on why Carney is better to take on Trump who has himself said he prefers a Liberal government because they will be easier to negotiate with.
 
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Valcazar said:
You didn't even do that.

You challenged him that his chart was wrong by showing a different chart.

That isn't "I'm not being academic", that was you trying to imply he was lying about his numbers.

You could have - very easily - made your point right away that in perspective the numbers are down.
Indeed you should, since I think it is an important point.
Instead you decided to go with a different approach and then got upset when I pointed out the discrepency.

IT also fucked you over, because by making your original pitch an implication he had the wrong numbers, you look like an ass when it turned out he didn't.

It's not about academic precision, it's about you choosing a really bad way to make your point.



Got it.
You will lean in on bullshit and don't appreciate it being called out.

That's fine.
I answer these rhetorical questions users put here to clarify the graphs and numbers people use.
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He said crime was rising and provided a chart using one cherry picked category of reference. I replied with a more general chart on crime from a better source that disproved his general theory that crime was increasing. Sure, I could have spent more time being more clear and exact, but that's not the nature of these debates. That was my point.

I take your criticism, but this isn't the forum for that style of debating.

When you are facing the gish gallop you do not win the debate by responding to each claim with detailed and long replies. You provide the counter claim, something to back it up and you wait for the target to move somewhere else.
 
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mdo2886 said:
Wow down 19% from record highs caused by Justin's soft on crime policies. Hallelujah. Like, are you serious dude?
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Car theft is the problem of auto manufacturers.
Its in their interest to have cars stolen and shipped overseas so they can sell the next ones and have insurance and consumers pay.

It wasn't a federal issue to begin with.
 
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mdo2886 said:
Nobody has yet made a coherent argument on why Carney is better to take on Trump who has himself said he prefers a Liberal government because they will be easier to negotiate with.
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Start with the fact that trump stopped calling the PM 'governor' and stopped/delayed the tariff war on Canada.
 
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Frankfooter said:
Car theft is the problem of auto manufacturers.
Its in their interest to have cars stolen and shipped overseas so they can sell the next ones and have insurance and consumers pay.

It wasn't a federal issue to begin with.
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This is utter lunacy. This will be my last reply to your posts because my IQ is dropping by the letter.
 
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mdo2886 said:

Voter Turnout at Federal Elections and Referendums

Voter turnout at federal elections and referendums in Canada, 1867-2004.
www.elections.ca

It's not a 100% correlation but voter turnout does seem to favour the non incumbent over the past 20 years in Canada
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Thanks.
It certainly isn't a crazy inference to draw.

You'd have to do some serious stats work to really show anything and with so few data points it would be rough.

But yeah, goes up tracks with some amount of anti-incumbent sentiment seems a decent rule of thumb.
 
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Frankfooter said:
When you are facing the gish gallop you do not win the debate by responding to each claim with detailed and long replies. You provide the counter claim, something to back it up and you wait for the target to move somewhere else.
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You should try doing that some time, then.
Because you really look like you're gish galloping on the car issue.
 
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