United Healthcare CEO shot and killed in Manhattan
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This guy has blown up on Tiktok and he deserves it for his talent, his other stuff is great.
Yes.
It is different.
A targeted shooting of a CEO whose business practices caused the deaths and sufferings of millions is much different than a shooting that targets a school full of children.
They are both illegal.
They are both murders.
But they are not morally equivalent.
You generally make sense on most issues but on this one you are so off. You're actually morally justifying taking someone's life simply because their company's business practices are, at least on the surface, questionable. We cannot take that stand or nobody will want to run a large company. Being a CEO is a very challenging position and the sacrifices one makes to do that job are tremendous. You're basically on call 24/7/365, your life is your work. It affects your personal relationships. Many are in therapy. Yet we have folks who sit around and bitch about how this CEO made $10 million last year (most of it non cash), yet nobody blinks an eye when a mediocre NBA player pulls in a similar salary or a movie actor makes $18 million for 3 months of work on the set. What kind of fucking cosmic bunny hole have we fallen into here?
It's not about how much money. It's about the decisions he made to deny 32% of claims, double the national average. To illegally use an AI instead of an actual doctor that was 90% wrong to facilitate the denials.
Imagine if OHIP did that, to save money. And it was your child denied coverage for a life saving, or changing procedure.
He was the CEO and therefore signed off on every policy that harmed policy holders. I have no sympathy, anymore than a chemical product CEO who illegally dumped into a water table toxic chemicals. Or to Tobacco company CEO's. Or that family that lied to Congress about the addictiveness of Opiods.
What he did was sociopathic. Downright evil.
Run it better.
But the fact is the insurance game is a gambling operation. They bet on taking money and not having to pay out. That is thevliteral business model. So the literal business model of health insurance is not to supply coverage, but to deny it. It's a fake middleman
And no one forced him into the position. So no, I have no sympathy for him anymore than any other drifter. Just because they have the title CEO doesn't morally absolve them.
He might get the death penalty
www.dailymail.co.uk
Ominous new sign Luigi Mangione will face the death penalty
Luigi Mangione, the man accused of fatally shooting UnitedHealth CEO Brian Thompson outside the Hilton hotel in Midtown Manhattan, could face the death penalty, according to a new legal move.
Hate to burst your bubble but OHIP denies coverage. Maybe not as frequently as 32% but it does. Particularly if you're over 80 years old. And as I said before you're just looking at a figure and not what drives that denial rate. You need to separate your emotions from the reality.
They deny based on a doctor diagnosis. Not to enrich shareholders.
Stop being so emotional for profits. And yes, it's OK to care about people first.
The profit motive is intrinsically the best mechanism for getting the best product or service delivered. That's what has made capitalism work for hundreds of years. At the end of the day health care is a commodity, just like an automobile. And therein lies the tradeoff - get superior healthcare but at a premium cost or get average to substandard health care with relatively less expense.
I am not being emotional at all, other than I feel for the guys two kids who have lost their dad and have to read awful things said about him. And believe me I am no fan of insurance companies, I've had to fight with mine on a couple of occasions. If its is deemed that United was denying claims to insured based solely on profit then the company should be severely punished. They are violating their contractual obligation to their customer and if that is a serial problem the market will eventually collapse.
What services are covered for people under 80 that are not covered for people over 80?
There it is.
Healthcare is not a commodity in Canada. It is more a human right.
So what you are saying is if a child gets leukemia and the parents can't afford to pay for it you think the child should be left to die without treatment.
The healthcare system looks at the person's age as being a factor as to whether they authorize any major procedure, whether it be heart surgery or knee/hip replacement. I had a former client who was 84 and needed a hip replaced. OHIP stalled him for over a year and just kept him drugged up, hoping he would just croak. But he said f that and went to the US and got the hip replaced. He's still alive today in his early 90's.
One of the main issues with delivery of public goods is the free rider problem. This occurs when one derives a benefit without paying or under paying for it. This results in inefficiency and scarcity of resources as a whole. That results in the provider of the public good or service being selective on who gets priority delivery - a 45 year old who has 20 years of working life remaining to pay taxes into the system, or the 85 year old who is getting CPP and OAS but is paying less tax into the system than what he is getting in benefits. It sucks but it is the reality in our current system.
Should have come to Quebec. Hip replacements are much cheaper than in the US in the private sector.
I’m sorry but I have a hard time believing that he was denied a hip replacement because he was 85. Like that was the specific reason. I personally need more then “I knew I guy….” As evidence. Do you have any stats? Anything in writing where they say they will deny services?
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Now confirmed.He might get the death penalty
Ominous new sign Luigi Mangione will face the death penalty
Luigi Mangione, the man accused of fatally shooting UnitedHealth CEO Brian Thompson outside the Hilton hotel in Midtown Manhattan, could face the death penalty, according to a new legal move.
DA will seek death penalty
Luigi Mangione receives the worst news on eve of federal arraignment
Federal prosecutors gave alleged assassin Luigi Mangione the worst possible news just hours before he is set to appear in court to face charges for the December shooting of Brian Thompson.
It's going to make the OJ trial coverage look like a local news cast.Now confirmed.
DA will seek death penalty
Luigi Mangione receives the worst news on eve of federal arraignment
Federal prosecutors gave alleged assassin Luigi Mangione the worst possible news just hours before he is set to appear in court to face charges for the December shooting of Brian Thompson.
I really wish this trial would be broadcast live on Court TV, but it doesnt look like it will be
So if he is acquitted, or if there are a sufficient number of hung juries with no convictions, will society go ahead and have The Purge, just like the movie?
For everyone, especially those of you who seem to like this piece of shit, who would you kill in The Purge?
Executives in specific industries?
Teachers who were mean to you in school?
Potential romantic partners who rejected your overtures?
Sex workers aren’t cheap, so many of the guys here have a buck or two earned in business.
Think anyone you climbed over on the way to the top wants to kill you?
Maybe instead of The Purge, he is found guilty and they televise it. Ratings would be good if they do it while he is still good looking.
The U.S. is a sick society. He made is sicker. No sympathy for him from me.
For everyone, especially those of you who seem to like this piece of shit, who would you kill in The Purge?
Executives in specific industries?
Teachers who were mean to you in school?
Potential romantic partners who rejected your overtures?
Sex workers aren’t cheap, so many of the guys here have a buck or two earned in business.
Think anyone you climbed over on the way to the top wants to kill you?
Maybe instead of The Purge, he is found guilty and they televise it. Ratings would be good if they do it while he is still good looking.
The U.S. is a sick society. He made is sicker. No sympathy for him from me.
