Carney To Visit White House Next Week - Trump Calls Him "Nice Gentleman"

JohnLarue · May 7, 2025

Butler1000 said:
Yes, and a good portion is trade they can't do without. Energy, building materials, fertilizer. They have no choice.

you do not get it

they have lots of untapped oil and gas , the have lots of lumber and potash is not the only fertilizer

and all of those items have world prices that are driven by supply and demand

they have choices

again
now pay attention
Canada's economy is 2/3 dependant on trade
the US economy is 2/3 dependant on domestic consumption

they have a huge economic advantage over Canada as they are far less dependant on trade
they can wait us out and sign trade deals with other countries at their pleasure while our economy collapses

JohnLarue · May 7, 2025

Ceiling Cat said:
I hope Carney offers Trump no concessions and treats this trip purely as a fact-finding mission. The international community must remain united in standing up to Trump's tactics. Any compromise by Carney could set a dangerous precedent,

you do not seem to understand a very simple fact
countries always act in their own best interest with respect to trade, always have, always will

now pay attention
China, India, Mexico are not going to walk away from a trade deal with the US in order to protect Canada or anyone else

do you honestly think that if trump offered Carney a new trade deal on acceptable terms tomorrow Carney would not jump all over it with not a second thought about other nations ?
In a heart beat
he has a responsibility to Canadians to act in their best interest ,
he does not have the responsibility or the mandate to unite with other nations to teach Trump a lesson

this is not union driven collective bargaining

the rest of your rant is ideological driven gibberish which has not been thought through properly and thus is not applicable

signaling to other nations that they, too, should appease the “Orange Thug.” The outcome Trump is likely seeking is a chain reaction of countries offering him concessions.
China appears to have adopted the most effective strategy. Refusing to engage or negotiate with someone using extortion as a tactic. Tariffs won’t hold up indefinitely. When American store shelves begin to empty and consumer prices skyrocket, the political backlash will be swift. The people backing Trump may turn on him once economic hardship hits home. The MAGAs will riot and the Proud Boys will turn into the Loud Boys when they are hurt in the pocket. Canada and other nations should prioritize diversifying their trade relationships and seek out new markets.

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Zoot Allures · Thursday at 12:03 AM

JohnLarue said:
you do not get it

they have lots of untapped oil and gas , the have lots of lumber and potash is not the only fertilizer

and all of those items have world prices that are driven by supply and demand

they have choices

again
now pay attention
Canada's economy is 2/3 dependant on trade
the US economy is 2/3 dependant on domestic consumption

they have a huge economic advantage over Canada as thy are far less dependant on trade
they can wait us out and sign trade deals with other countries at their pleasure while our economy collapses

Do not be naive about the way of the world

If we have something the USA desperately needs and we refuse to sell it to them they will take it by force and justify their actions with a tweased argument like they did in Iraq

We will not take anything by force from the USA but that is not because we are nice guys. We would do the same to a weaker country

One country that is an exception to this universal conduct is Bhutan. They are a buddhist country who has a happiness index instead of a GNP index

JohnLarue · Thursday at 12:04 AM

Zoot Allures said:
Carney gave Trump a set of golf clubs as a present

I assume Carney knows Trump is a meglomaniac, extreme narcissist, sociopath, rapist, criminal, incompetent and pathological liar and is kissing up for the good of Canada

But, is this a Carney mistake?

Trump has and will turn on a dime. Trump had insulted Trudeau many times thusly insulting Canada.
He still tells lies about how we will all be rich if we become a state, how the USA subsidizes us
etc etc and is trying to tear our country apart with his takeover lies and we say nothing

Deferring to Trump is deferring to a crazy manchild and thinking it will work

The only thing Trump respects is adults with power who decry his lies

I would rather have a Carney who leads the world in the anti Trump movement by giving Trump a set of elbows up instead of a set of golf clubs

Zelenski kissing up I understand but I disrespect other countries who do it
so why should I want our PM doing it ?

Carney could have also chose to kicked Trump in the nuts right in front of all the cameras
no doubt that would have been well deserved and many would have felt immense temporary pride in our elbows up Prime Minster

then maybe just maybe Trump would has said ' OK you win the tariffs on Canada come off, just let me stop puking blood and I will sign the executive order'
"man those Canadians are tough negotiators"

however to be honest with you, i suspect the kick to the Trump Testicles or your elbows up would not work out well for Canada from an economic perspective

it is strange how so many loonie lefties allow their emotions to cloud their judgement

JohnLarue · Thursday at 12:07 AM

Zoot Allures said:
Do not be naive about the way of the world

pretending we can wait it out vs the US is naive

I

f we have something the USA desperately needs and we refuse to sell it to them they will take it by force and justify their actions with a tweased argument

that is not trade, that is conquest, and your point is irrelevant

We will not take anything by force from the USA but that is not because we are nice guys. Wec would do the dame to a weaker countery

your point what ever it might be is irrelevant

One country that is an exception to this universal conduct is Bhutan. They are a buddhist country who has a happiness index instead of a GNP index

your point what ever it might be is irrelevant

Zoot Allures · Thursday at 12:25 AM

JohnLarue said:
Carney could have kicked Trump in the nuts right in front of all the cameras as well
no doubt that would have been well deserved and many would have felt immense temporary pride in our elbows up Prime Minster

then maybe just maybe Trump would has said ' OK you win the tariffs on Canada come off, just let me stop puking blood and I will sign the executive order'
man those Canadians are tough negotiators

however to be honest with you, i suspect the kick to the Trump Testicles or your elbows up would not work out well for Canada from an economic perspective

it is strange how so many loonie lefties allow their emotions to cloud their judgement

Ok then, show me examples where where kissing up to Trump

JohnLarue said:
pretending we can wait it out vs the US is naive

I

that is not trade, that is conquest, and your point is irrelevant

your point what ever it might be is irrelevant

your point what ever it might be is irrelevant

You do not see my point? If a powerful country desperately needs something from a weaker country they will take it by force if need be . The USA is no exception and neither are we

The USA does not have to negotiate with us if they want something they can, and will, come and
take it and the world will just watch.

Trump is threatening to take Panama and Greenland by force and the World has said nothing.

JohnLarue · Thursday at 1:10 AM

Zoot Allures said:
Ok then, show me examples where where kissing up to Trump

that is an incomplete sentence

You do not see my point? If a powerful country desperately needs something from a weaker country they will take it by force if need be . The USA is no exception and neither are we

your point is irrelevant to international trade

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The USA does not have to negotiate with us if they want something they can, and will, come and
take it and the world will just watch.

theoretically they could, but they will not go that route , and specifically not with Canada
your point is irrelevant

Trump is threatening to take Panama and Greenland by force and the World has said nothing.

Trump says a lot of things
he is an attention seeking egomaniac

the world is not a collective bargaining unit
many have said a lot in response to trumps bluster and many are freaked out by his bluster
this appears to only feed his oversized ego

one needs to separate bluster from his real objectives in order to understand him and the reality is he is not going anywhere for 4 years

HungSowel · Thursday at 1:19 AM

JohnLarue said:
one needs to separate bluster from his real objectives in order to understand him and the reality is he is not going anywhere for 4 years

Since you can read Trump's mind, please tell us what his real objectives are.

Butler1000 · Thursday at 3:11 AM

JohnLarue said:
you do not get it

they have lots of untapped oil and gas , the have lots of lumber and potash is not the only fertilizer

and all of those items have world prices that are driven by supply and demand

they have choices

again
now pay attention
Canada's economy is 2/3 dependant on trade
the US economy is 2/3 dependant on domestic consumption

they have a huge economic advantage over Canada as they are far less dependant on trade
they can wait us out and sign trade deals with other countries at their pleasure while our economy collapses

It's what they have to buy, vs what they waste money on that makes the difference. They can do with out the cheap plastic dhit from China.
30% of the lumber they use is Canadian. They need all of it. They need all the petroleum because they have to get it to various markets. If they only use their own for domestic then they have no exports. Not just gas but about 300 billion in petroleum products they produce.
They don't have cheap electricity. We have it from hydro dams in excess and sell at a discount. And many of the border town now directly have contracts for Canadian energy. Millions of homes and businesses, as well as public services.
They need our products FOR THE Domestic CONSUPTION you keep going on about. They need the raw materials and energy to make that shit.
We are that integrated. So yes we can wait it out.

Frankfooter · Thursday at 9:15 AM

JohnLarue said:
that is an incomplete sentence

your point is irrelevant to international trade

theoretically they could, but they will not go that route , and specifically not with Canada
your point is irrelevant

Trump says a lot of things
he is an attention seeking egomaniac

the world is not a collective bargaining unit
many have said a lot in response to trumps bluster and many are freaked out by his bluster
this appears to only feed his oversized ego

one needs to separate bluster from his real objectives in order to understand him and the reality is he is not going anywhere for 4 years

This might be the proper expression for replying to larue posts.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1920089855737909446

JohnLarue · Thursday at 12:49 PM

Butler1000 said:
It's what they have to buy, vs what they waste money on that makes the difference. They can do with out the cheap plastic dhit from China.

what a ridiculous argument
please remove the tariffs from my country because your behaviours are wasteful

30% of the lumber they use is Canadian. They need all of it.

no they do not

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The United States has roughly 818.8 million acres of forested land, representing about 36.21% of its total land area. This includes both forest land and woodlands, which together make up over one-third of the country.

They have a very strong softwood lumber lobby who would jump all over the chance to capture a 3% market share
inflationary, sure, but Trump is not fazed by that

They need all the petroleum because they have to get it to various markets. If they only use their own for domestic then they have no exports. Not just gas but about 300 billion in petroleum products they produce.

wrong again
Trump is given the green light to eliminating the regulatory burden and "drill baby drill

They don't have cheap electricity. We have it from hydro dams in excess and sell at a discount. And many of the border town now directly have contracts for Canadian energy. Millions of homes and businesses, as well as public services.

They will need our electricity, in the short term although he seems to want to bring back coal and promote nuclear

They need our products FOR THE Domestic CONSUPTION you keep going on about. They need the raw materials and energy to make that shit.
We are that integrated. So yes we can wait it out.

you do not seem to understand what commodity means
other than potash , there is not much we sell them they can not source internally or elsewhere

Butler1000 · Thursday at 2:51 PM

JohnLarue said:
what a ridiculous argument
please remove the tariffs from my country because your behaviours are wasteful

no they do not

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The United States has roughly 818.8 million acres of forested land, representing about 36.21% of its total land area. This includes both forest land and woodlands, which together make up over one-third of the country.

They have a very strong softwood lumber lobby who would jump all over the chance to capture a 3% market share
inflationary, sure, but Trump is not fazed by that

wrong again
Trump is given the green light to eliminating the regulatory burden and "drill baby drill

They will need our electricity, in the short term although he seems to want to bring back coal and promote nuclear

you do not seem to understand what commodity means
other than potash , there is not much we sell them they can not source internally or elsewhere

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/29/oil-companies-that-trump-wants-to-drill-baby-drill-take-a-beating.html

Hundred articles like the one above. It's not profitable to drill. So they won't do it.

Does the US really need Canadian wood products supply?

Understand how the 25% tariffs on Canadian goods would impact US lumber markets, and how reliant the US market is on Canadian lumber supply.

www.fastmarkets.com

Above about Softwood. They don't have near the capacity to produce it. Nor will they. Various bottlenecks occur, from experienced labor to equipment

Basically you are thinking they can flip a switch. They can't. And more importantly private business WON'T. Because they have no idea if these tariffs and deals will be here in four years. That is where your entire hypothesis fails.

Quite simply, it's AMERICAN BUSINESS that is going to wait Trump out. He is offering nothing to them to rebuild capacity. To reindustialize. So they will wait three years.

And that applies to all sectors. Sure, a few small players mat enter marketplaces. But they won't make a splash. Barely a ripple.

Panicking will accomplish nothing.

JohnLarue · Thursday at 3:59 PM

Butler1000 said:
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https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/29/oil-companies-that-trump-wants-to-drill-baby-drill-take-a-beating.html

Hundred articles like the one above. It's not profitable to drill. So they won't do it.

wrong dont ask a trump hating biased news network, ask a neutral business reporting news network

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The US oil industry is expected to ramp up production, with projections indicating a potential increase of around 5% in 2025, driven by factors like increased drilling efficiency and government policies aimed at boosting output.

The US oil boom shows no signs of stopping as shale execs say they'll ramp up spending in 2025

Nearly 60% of US shale execs said they plan to increase spending next year, according to a new Fed survey.

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The US oil boom shows no signs of stopping as shale execs say they'll ramp up spending in 2025

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According to a Dallas Fed survey, US oil company chiefs plan to increase spending in 2025.

58% of shale execs said they would increase spending, and 34% said they would increase investment.

Firms are feeling optimistic that Trump will boost the industry, even as oil prices have sagged.

Does the US really need Canadian wood products supply?

Understand how the 25% tariffs on Canadian goods would impact US lumber markets, and how reliant the US market is on Canadian lumber supply.

www.fastmarkets.com

Above about Softwood. They don't have near the capacity to produce it. Nor will they. Various bottlenecks occur, from experienced labor to equipment

why are you so consistantly wrong

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Yes, the U.S. softwood lumber industry has the capacity to expand and potentially meet a larger portion of domestic demand, especially with the right policies and trade practices. Trade barriers and increased domestic production efforts could create opportunities for the U.S. industry to grow and potentially become self-sufficient in softwood lumber supply.

why are you so consistently wrong

Basically you are thinking they can flip a switch. They can't. And more importantly private business WON'T. Because they have no idea if these tariffs and deals will be here in four years. That is where your entire hypothesis fails.

business adapt and pivot all the time

Quite simply, it's AMERICAN BUSINESS that is going to wait Trump out. He is offering nothing to them to rebuild capacity. To reindustialize. So they will wait three years.

not a chance
any CEO that goes to his board of directors with a wait three year strategy is soon to become an ex- CEO
you are delusional

And that applies to all sectors. Sure, a few small players mat enter marketplaces. But they won't make a splash. Barely a ripple.

Panicking will accomplish nothing.

look
#1. Smarten up
#2 the game has started with the UK deal
Canada does need to take a panicking approach , but it does need to be moving forward with negotiations and can not afford to take too long

your big stall , you need us - strategy is a pathway to disaster

now pay attention
the Americans will want wins in the Auto sector and / or wins over supply management with Dairy being the trade irritant that will be brought up.
Trump made a big deal about the Wisconsin Dairy Framers .

we are very unlikely to be able to protect both the Auto sector and supply management and still get a deal

one could very well be the price to save the other
there is no question which is the bigger employer

losing our share of the auto sector would be catastrophic
and any industry that is pouring is valuable product down the drain and still profitable can withstand some competition

reducing the 200+% tariff on Dairy above a certain volume will have to adjusted downward or scarped altogether
no one can look a trade partner in the eye and claim to support free trade while applying a 200+% tariff
that is just not going to survive despite all your pearl clutching

Ceiling Cat · Thursday at 6:44 PM

Zoot Allures said:
Carney gave Trump a set of golf clubs as a present

I assume Carney knows Trump is a meglomaniac, extreme narcissist, sociopath, rapist, criminal, incompetent and pathological liar and is kissing up for the good of Canada

It is customary to give a gift on the first visit to the head of state, do not read more into this than diplomatic protocol.

Ceiling Cat · Thursday at 7:31 PM

JohnLarue said:
you do not seem to understand a very simple fact
countries always act in their own best interest with respect to trade, always have, always will

I will tell you again, Trump will not last much longer. He is under immense world pressure, even before he starts to tariff countries other than China, Canada and Mexico. If Trump is stupid enough to tariff Europe, South America and other Asian countries. He will be in a world of hurt. Imagine Trump properties trashed, Tesla cars burned and flipped over in the street. Trump and Elon will get their comeuppance if the dare to believe they are gods. Trump will reverse on his tariffs when the pressure is to great for him to bare. He will lose all credibility and ability to govern at the mid term election, if not before. Carney went to survey the situation when he met Trump. Why fight him alone when the countries of the world are forming a cabal against Trump.

JohnLarue · Thursday at 7:47 PM

Ceiling Cat said:
I will tell you again, Trump will not last much longer.

he is here to stay until jan 2029

He is under immense world pressure, even before he starts to tariff countries other than China, Canada and Mexico. If Trump is stupid enough to tariff Europe, South America and other Asian countries. He will be in a world of hurt. Imagine Trump properties trashed, Tesla cars burned and flipped over in the street. Trump and Elon will get their comeuppance if the dare to believe they are gods. Trump will reverse on his tariffs when the pressure is to great for him to bare. He will lose all credibility and ability to govern at the mid term election, if not before. Carney went to survey the situation when he met Trump. Why fight him alone when the countries of the world are forming a cabal against Trump.

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you do not get it, this is not a union driven collective barging round
countries always act in their own best interest with respect to trade, always have, always will

Trump administration live updates: U.S. announces trade deal with U.K.; Trump says he will appoint Jeanine Pirro as interim U.S. attorney for Washington, D.C.

Live updates and the latest news as Trump signs a trade deal with the U.K. and the House votes on renaming the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America

www.nbcnews.com

President Trump announces trade deal with U.K
The trade agreement with the United Kingdom is America's first since President Donald Trump imposed sweeping tariffs on U.S. trading partners.

your cabal just got unravelled
i wonder who is next, Mexico, Japan, India ?
we shall know soon enough

You would be the last fool left standing without a deal, stupidly waiting for support from other who instead acted in their own best interests as nations always do

HungSowel · Thursday at 8:25 PM

Before Brexit the Conservatives bragged they had "oven-ready" trade deals. After Brexit the UK signed only 1 trade deal with Japan for any leftover quotas from Japan-EU trade deal, so it is not a trade deal, just a dumpster dive for sloppy seconds.

UK is desperate for a trade deal, US is desperate for a trade deal.

The trade deal with the UK is not going to start an avalanche of trade deals with the US.

Butler1000 · Thursday at 8:52 PM

JohnLarue said:
wrong dont ask a trump hating biased news network, ask a neutral business reporting news network

The US oil boom shows no signs of stopping as shale execs say they'll ramp up spending in 2025

Nearly 60% of US shale execs said they plan to increase spending next year, according to a new Fed survey.

markets.businessinsider.com

why are you so consistantly wrong

why are you so consistently wrong

business adapt and pivot all the time

not a chance
any CEO that goes to his board of directors with a wait three year strategy is soon to become an ex- CEO
you are delusional

look
#1. Smarten up
#2 the game has started with the UK deal
Canada does need to take a panicking approach , but it does need to be moving forward with negotiations and can not afford to take too long

your big stall , you need us - strategy is a pathway to disaster

now pay attention
the Americans will want wins in the Auto sector and / or wins over supply management with Dairy being the trade irritant that will be brought up.
Trump made a big deal about the Wisconsin Dairy Framers .

we are very unlikely to be able to protect both the Auto sector and supply management and still get a deal

one could very well be the price to save the other
there is no question which is the bigger employer

losing our share of the auto sector would be catastrophic
and any industry that is pouring is valuable product down the drain and still profitable can withstand some competition

reducing the 200+% tariff on Dairy above a certain volume will have to adjusted downward or scarped altogether
no one can look a trade partner in the eye and claim to support free trade while applying a 200+% tariff
that is just not going to survive despite all your pearl clutching

Wow, you really know less than I thought.

Frankfooter · Friday at 12:51 AM

JohnLarue said:
you do not seem to understand what commodity means
other than potash , there is not much we sell them they can not source internally or elsewhere

Carney To Visit White House Next Week - Trump Calls Him "Nice Gentleman"

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