Provider "Forcing" 2nd shower (SF2) within 1 hour booking

OntGuy2010 · Friday at 7:45 PM

Hello everyone! Been interacting with an excellent guy in DM regarding the below scenario - in full disclosure I have to say that this is his scenario and not mine, however I have been "strongly encouraging" him to have this posted in a forum for feedback, and in fact found the details so interesting that volunteered to post it myself which is what I am doing! The answer or best course of action here might be quite obvious along the lines of "just tell her no!" / "just say exactly what you want!" but I can tell you for sure that in the same situation I would have reacted in exactly the same way, and I'll easily bet that many others would too! Any comments welcome . . .

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Background – booked for the 1 hour (400/60) - The booker did confirm (in text) that 2 shots would be okay. First shot reached around minute 40. Was hoping to initiate MSOG for the remaining 20 minutes.

Situation -
SP – did not initiate MSOG but instead pushed me to shower a second time. Now the second shower is not mandatory per my understanding (The first shower is obviously). Instead the second shower was almost "pushed" onto me when said - "Go ahead and take another shower". Not sure how to respond to this, instead just said "Okay" [grudgingly]

The remaining time was just talking during the remaining 20 mins and cleaning up the bed for the next client or packing her bags. Impression created by those actions was, that my time is being used to prepare for the next client!

Question – at minute 40, how do I politely tell the SP (without coming across as rude) – if we could perhaps attempt another shot given I booked for the hour with the remaining 20 minutes instead of a second shower?

Would this be considered unfair?

I know some SPs at this rate, initiate MSOG with as little as 10 mins left.

Would you recommend I bring it up at the beginning of the session (that I am hoping for 2 shots?) and the last 5 mins for cleanup / putting on the clothes ? If so - how would you bring it up without coming across as rude?

Sure i could always book 90 mins but that would be outside my budget

I have not decided on what to do but I am hoping to get best advice from more experienced hobbyists.

Shaquille Oatmeal · Friday at 8:05 PM

I think if you wanted MSOG bringing it up at the start of the session is a good idea.
You could also mention it at 40 minutes but if she appears reluctant, I would just go take a shower, but wouldn't book her again.
If you push at that point, it would be very weird, so better to just back off and find another provider.
That said, I have had providers request another shower for MSOG in a multi-hour date (and showered themselves), if things got quite steamy and sweaty during the first shot, which I think is reasonable.

brokenglass · Friday at 8:17 PM

Bring it up before funds are handed over or after the second shower you could have nicely mentioned about cuddling on the bed and perhaps trying for a second shot and see what she would have said. I'd say a good provider who you booked for a H will try to initiate round 2 knowing MSOG is offered and you could inform her if you're up for it or not or just want to cuddle, kiss and chat. Could try her once more and mention MSOG that you missed out on last time or book with someone new. She shouldn't be cleaning up that early as if indicating play is over unless you were done. During a H where MSOG is offered and I knew I wasn't in the mood to go again compared to other times I've let them know and if I wanted to leave a bit sooner than the H that's on me or cuddle/chat.

The Options Menu · Friday at 8:37 PM

Shaquille Oatmeal said:
I think if you wanted MSOG bringing it up at the start of the session is a good idea.

Agreed.

If not at the start of the session then as soon as you figure out what you want to do. While I seldom attempt a 2nd SOG these days, I usually wait until a session is underway, and I know what my dick wants to do, and then I'll mentioned what I'm hoping for SOG wise. Even for a single SOG it's still good to mention what you want so a provider knows that you don't want to cum fast. Communication makes sessions better, and if a provider only allows 1 SOG then it's better to know that rather sooner than later.

If I were the OP, and the provider suggested hitting the shower with 20 minutes left on the clock, I'd just straight up say that I was hoping for a second shot. The worst case would be 'no' or 'not enough time'. As long as you're pleasant about things it's no big deal to ask. Mind you, in reality, I would have made my desire for 2 SOG clear much earlier in the session.

OntGuy2010 · Friday at 9:40 PM

Thanks a lot everyone, very much appreciated! What I am "gravitating" to is what @The Options Menu is suggesting (but of course this is individual and the other ideas are not that far off anyway).

Question pls: how about using the "power of the booker"?!?!? For example saying something like ". . .booker confirmed to me that 2 SOG are available in 1 hour, so can we . . ." ?!?!? Never used it myself, and sounds to me like this is also trying to "force" something so chances are will not get a great response, correct?

xix · Friday at 10:42 PM

There are all kinds of John's and providers. IT seems this provider has a script, a very good script. I am sure she has answers in her head and played out scenarios if John's ask her.

@OntGuy2010 YMMV, some bookers will say anything and others not. The SW may not be in the mood that day. The 3 second rule applies here. Any person has to learn how to read the room / person right away. And see which script they will use.

JohnAMacdongnot · Friday at 10:49 PM

I always take a quick shower after first shot, cos you won't be erect in those few minutes anyway, better to fresh up, clean my mouth with mouthwash cos I probably just ate her asshole.

Plus SPs don't want to taste your cum or condom sauce during second round of BJ. It's a good habit to shower before two shots.

If she won't do give you chance to do second shot after you shower, she's basically scamming you, so I would probably never book again.

fall · Friday at 10:55 PM

If you really want two shots in one hour, make sure you have your first before the 30-minute mark. What you expect to accomplish in the last 20 minutes? It was not right for her to rush you into the shower unless she goes there with you for SF2 and some cuddling/kissing for the remaining time until you are still up for it, but expecting the second SOG with 20 min on the clock and still dirty after the first one is not realistic either. Just initiate cuddling, ask for a massage (or offer it), maybe DATY if you are up to it, and a light BJ after without completion.

Josephine · Friday at 11:05 PM

OntGuy2010 said:
Hello everyone! Been interacting with an excellent guy in DM regarding the below scenario - in full disclosure I have to say that this is his scenario and not mine, however I have been "strongly encouraging" him to have this posted in a forum for feedback, and in fact found the details so interesting that volunteered to post it myself which is what I am doing! The answer or best course of action here might be quite obvious along the lines of "just tell her no!" / "just say exactly what you want!" but I can tell you for sure that in the same situation I would have reacted in exactly the same way, and I'll easily bet that many others would too! Any comments welcome . . .

==================================================================================================================================================================

Background – booked for the 1 hour (400/60) - The booker did confirm (in text) that 2 shots would be okay. First shot reached around minute 40. Was hoping to initiate MSOG for the remaining 20 minutes.

Situation -
SP – did not initiate MSOG but instead pushed me to shower a second time. Now the second shower is not mandatory per my understanding (The first shower is obviously). Instead the second shower was almost "pushed" onto me when said - "Go ahead and take another shower". Not sure how to respond to this, instead just said "Okay" [grudgingly]

The remaining time was just talking during the remaining 20 mins and cleaning up the bed for the next client or packing her bags. Impression created by those actions was, that my time is being used to prepare for the next client!

Question – at minute 40, how do I politely tell the SP (without coming across as rude) – if we could perhaps attempt another shot given I booked for the hour with the remaining 20 minutes instead of a second shower?

Would this be considered unfair?

I know some SPs at this rate, initiate MSOG with as little as 10 mins left.

Would you recommend I bring it up at the beginning of the session (that I am hoping for 2 shots?) and the last 5 mins for cleanup / putting on the clothes ? If so - how would you bring it up without coming across as rude?

Sure i could always book 90 mins but that would be outside my budget

I have not decided on what to do but I am hoping to get best advice from more experienced hobbyists.

I would say ask for it so she can pace herself or book 45 for 1 or 90 min for 2 if you dont care to chat with her and create ground for intimacy (which make the next sessions better imo). Pushing a second shot at 40-45 min rarely end by a happy ending and it feels like therapeutic obstinacy for the provider. She was probably asking for a second shower in the hope he would give up on the idea.

OntGuy2010 · Friday at 11:09 PM

Thanks very much again to everyone! A lot of very good things here - I was only asked once to shower after the first shot, but can easily see that it is a very good idea. For sure things to think about - man us two (DM friend and me) are rank amateurs

xix · Friday at 11:14 PM

MSGO for an hour should be done in the first 16 min. Shower for 3 - 5 min so you are ready at 25 minutes in to your session. Then are done by 45 - 48 min mark of the hour, walk out with no shower by 52-55 min. Gives her time for next client if seeing one client by the hour.

Does anyone ever see a real RMT ? do you notice if they are fully booked every hour the 60 min is 50 min session. The RMT needs 10 - 7 mins to prep for next client. Unless there is a 1/2 hour gap you may end with a real 60 min RMT massage. It happen to me plenty of times. I had one RMT have a gap of 15 - 30 mins gaps.

OntGuy2010 · Friday at 11:24 PM

xix said:
MSGO for an hour should be done in the first 16 min. Shower for 3 - 5 min so you are ready at 25 minutes in to your session. Then are done by 45 - 48 min mark of the hour, walk out with no shower by 52-55 min. Gives her time for next client if seeing one client by the hour.

Does anyone ever see a real RMT ? do you notice if they are fully booked every hour the 60 min is 50 min session. The RMT needs 10 - 7 mins to prep for next client. Unless there is a 1/2 hour gap you may end with a real 60 min RMT massage. It happen to me plenty of times. I had one RMT have a gap of 15 - 30 mins gaps.

My understanding in agency situation, bookers will pace so that providers can have enough time, but no matter what you are right of course (and this is the biggest lesson I am learning here) - 2 SOG require either faster first shot, or longer booking!

brokenglass · Saturday at 7:14 AM

Just communicate before the session starts about msog sometimes people forget even through text the day before. And typically for a H the first shot is done within 15mins and usually through a BJ but each provider is diff. Just communicate nicely and see how it goes or find another provider. I find it annoying she was making the bed hinting things were over when she could have cuddled and stuff since 20 mins were remaining. That's still time you paid for. Nothing wrong with cuddle and chat especially if there's no need to try for a 2nd shot when your first took 40mins.

Jenesis · Saturday at 8:42 AM

I have to ask, when did the action start? Meaning did it take a full 40 mins for the first shots?

Considering the usually takes long then the first, is there anyway she just assumed the second shot wouldn’t be possible in 20 if the first took 40?

and how is the shower “pushed”? Did she only say “go ahead and take another shower?” I will usually ask if they want to another shower and clean up before they leave. It is not pushing, just some guys are going back to work, etc? I don’t think I have offered this with 20 mins left - maybe 10. I have even done when time is up and the shower would technically be over time. Just trying to figure out if this was just a friendly offer? How was this “pushed”?

Ahri · Saturday at 9:16 AM

Shaquille Oatmeal said:
I think if you wanted MSOG bringing it up at the start of the session is a good idea.
You could also mention it at 40 minutes but if she appears reluctant, I would just go take a shower, but wouldn't book her again.
If you push at that point, it would be very weird, so better to just back off and find another provider.
That said, I have had providers request another shower for MSOG in a multi-hour date (and showered themselves), if things got quite steamy and sweaty during the first shot, which I think is reasonable.

Great advice! Always bring it up to your provider at the start of the session. It doesn’t hurt to ask

Jenesis · Saturday at 9:19 AM

Ahri said:
Great advice! Always bring it up to your provider at the start of the session. It doesn’t hurt to ask

Because some guys won’t, I always ask.

I just say “:since you booked (45 or hour) are you looking for 2 shots?”

and then when guys come back with anything other then a confident 2 shots, I explain that if they don’t know for sure they can do two, they should go for one because the first is usually done quickly to make time for cool down and getting the second shot and they can leave disappointed that the first shot was so quick if they can’t do the second.

About 50% of the time they change their mind and ask for one king drawn out one.

The Options Menu · Saturday at 9:50 AM

OntGuy2010 said:
My understanding in agency situation, bookers will pace so that providers can have enough time, but no matter what you are right of course (and this is the biggest lesson I am learning here) - 2 SOG require either faster first shot, or longer booking!

Yes. I was assuming the person you were talking to had a quick refactoy time, and wasn't just setting themselves up for disappointment. I know about the only way I can do 2 shots in an hour is to get the first shout out of the way fast, and then to use an extended period of DATY and / or face sitting to let my dick recover and go again.

Even then it's a coin toss-- I can usually get wood, but it's 50/50 if I can get it across the line. So I increasingly lean toward 'one good shot'. Missing a second shot doesn't really phase me, because I likely enjoyed the journey, but I find the quality of experience better when I build toward one good shot.

Though that's me, and some of you guys can probably pop 4 times in an hour, lol.

Sonic Temple · Saturday at 10:10 AM

Agree with the entire thread - just to add - never bring up what was mentioned by the booker, because it all depends on the SP in the end. Communication is your BEST friend in this industry and how we communicate is your wing man. If you do this with kindness and respect as a base - you will get that in return and who knows what else. First shot - within 20 min - rinse off and plenty of time for a second shot, remember that communication and the wingman - well plenty of time for shot number two. Great thread btw.

brokenglass · Saturday at 10:12 AM

A lot of times it just boils down to communication. Just learn to question things nicely and see what the answer is. I know for me when I see civies for hook ups I can do 3 shots close to a H where as with SPs a lot of times it's one shot then struggling for the 2nd so I'll end things than trying to force it out. Pretty sure it's a mental thing. Had a ONS earlier this year and after a BJ and her swallowing we got it on 15-20mins later and I lasted only 5mins or so choosing not to hold back when I could lol.

OntGuy2010 · Saturday at 10:51 AM

Jenesis said:
I have to ask, when did the action start? Meaning did it take a full 40 mins for the first shots?

Considering the usually takes long then the first, is there anyway she just assumed the second shot wouldn’t be possible in 20 if the first took 40?

and how is the shower “pushed”? Did she only say “go ahead and take another shower?” I will usually ask if they want to another shower and clean up before they leave. It is not pushing, just some guys are going back to work, etc? I don’t think I have offered this with 20 mins left - maybe 10. I have even done when time is up and the shower would technically be over time. Just trying to figure out if this was just a friendly offer? How was this “pushed”?

Thanks for replying and excellent questions of course! DM-friend is watching this thread of course he will let me know . . .

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