Charlie Kirk Shot in the Neck in Utah (Update: Shooter Alt-right links)

silentkisser

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I don't agree with Charlie on a lot of things. I don't necessarily think a two-three minute exchange is a fair debate or a debate at all.

However, most of the college kids that I have seen in clips are not prepared to challenge Kirk. Let's put it this way. They are not Valcazar or mandrill (when he's not angry).

I'm not sure of the exact timeline, but in many of the clips Kirk is not much older than the college kid he is interacting with. Now in the current, does a very smart, articulate 31 year old have an intellectual advantage on a 19 year old? I would say absolutely, but that is all my point is saying......no more, no less.
I think my point explains this: Kirk has all the data he needs, some of it could be accurate, some is likely cherrypicked and some could be plain false. The kids who debate him probably know a lot, but when you take a shot to the head from a firehose of questionable facts (which he did frequently), how can you respond? The kids didn't study up to speak with him, nor have rebuttals backed with data handy at their fingertips. That's the point. Kirk goes in with his arguments locked in, filled with stuff that 99% of the population couldn't refute easily and off the cuff, because bullshit baffles brains.

And, it should be pointed out that his "debates" probably chanced few people's minds. And, let's remember, he's honed his messaging by holding these debates against young adults. He's polished in a way few undergrads could be. But, when they come prepared, its a different story. Just look at the video of him debating at either Oxford or Cambridge. He doesn't look like the world beater he is against unprepared frosh.
 

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Ritchie, you're back! I welcome you back with a :ROFLMAO: and a 🍻
Thanks brother...had to finish a nice project up north...got paid and back on terb to see some reviews...then swing by politics and see what's what...i'm just glad you snowflakes ain't going anywhere...
 
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Thanks brother...had to finish a nice project up north...got paid and back on terb to see some reviews...then swing by politics and see what's what...i'm just glad you snowflakes ain't going anywhere...
Was the project a bridge to the USA to avoid having to get a Green Card? This way, you can live it up with your cult leader, Sir Clown Trump? ;)

ps....since you got paid, book an escort! I suspect you really need to get laid.
 

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Burton City Council candidate Kris Johns revealed that the man authorities say attacked the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Grand Blanc, Michigan, over the weekend had recently called Mormons "the antichrist."

Johns told the Detroit Free Press that he met Thomas Jacob Sanford while canvassing less than a week ago. According to law enforcement, Sanford used an assault-style rifle to kill two churchgoers on Sunday, while at least two others died in a fire he set. Eight injuries were also reported.


"This is not a forgettable guy," Johns noted, recalling that Sanford talked about his child and support for the Second Amendment.

Johns said the conversation took a "sharp turn" when Sanford began asking him about Mormonism.



"I just didn't know what the next question was going to be," the candidate said. The conversation culminated with Sanford claiming that the religion was "the antichrist."

"It was very much standard anti-LDS talking points that you would find on YouTube, TikTok, Facebook," he observed.

Johns said that there was no discussion of politics, but noted that Sanford had a sign supporting President Donald Trump's 2024 campaign on his fence.

Mormon shooting suspect bombarded council candidate with 'antichrist' rant days earlier
 
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I don't agree with Charlie on a lot of things. I don't necessarily think a two-three minute exchange is a fair debate or a debate at all.

However, most of the college kids that I have seen in clips are not prepared to challenge Kirk. Let's put it this way. They are not Valcazar or mandrill (when he's not angry).

I'm not sure of the exact timeline, but in many of the clips Kirk is not much older than the college kid he is interacting with. Now in the current, does a very smart, articulate 31 year old have an intellectual advantage on a 19 year old? I would say absolutely, but that is all my point is saying......no more, no less.
They don't get a chance to challenge him, Kirk cuts them off and changes the terms or moves on to stop replies.
 

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A teenage Republican hailed as the “protege” of MAGA influencer Charlie Kirk has received backlash from fellow conservatives after posting a video in which he appears to be flying on a private jet.

Brilyn Hollyhand, who calls himself “The Internet’s Youngest Voice of Reason,” rankled many conservatives online, including those associated with Turning Point USA – the political advocacy organization founded by Kirk.


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It comes after the 19-year-old posted a video of himself traveling to Arkansas to begin his One Conversation at a Time Tour, which he has vowed will be a continuation of Kirk’s legacy after he was fatally shot in Utah earlier this month.

In the video Hollyhand is seen sitting in what appears to be a private jet, while wearing a striped golf top and an expensive-looking watch.

Nick Sottor, a fellow Republican influencer who briefly co-hosted The Charlie Kirk show, warned against “grifters” using Turning Point USA’s name to push campus tours.

“Turning Point USA is absolutely NOT sponsoring campus tours for young men flying around on private planes—despite claims otherwise,” he wrote on X. “This is such an unnecessary distraction from the ACTUAL campus tour, which honors Charlie.”

“Ignore the grifters,” he added.

Sortor added that while Hollyhand may be a “good kid,” he was surrounded by others trying to “hijack the movement for their own gain.” “It’s sickening. I’ll do everything in my power to expose it,” he said.

TPUSA’s chief operating officer Tyler Bowyer also accused him of falsely suggesting events were sponsored by the group, according to Mediaite.


Hollyhand (left) also hit back at those claiming he was a ‘new comer,’ having started a political podcast – ‘The Brilyn Hollyhand Show’ – when he was just 11-years old, and has hosted Kirk (center) and fellow right-wing influencer Candace Owens (right) (Brilyn Hollyhand/ X)

Hollyhand (left) also hit back at those claiming he was a ‘new comer,’ having started a political podcast – ‘The Brilyn Hollyhand Show’ – when he was just 11-years old, and has hosted Kirk (center) and fellow right-wing influencer Candace Owens (right) (Brilyn Hollyhand/ X)
Others were skeptical of Hollyhand’s seemingly luxurious mode of transportation, with one social media user writing: “Most college kids: middle seat on Southwest. This guy: country club polo on a jet. Totally relatable.”

“Is this kid the Temu version of Charlie Kirk?” added another.



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However, in a post on X, following up from a profile in the New York Post, Hollyhand assured people that he was not trying to take over from Kirk, or cash in on his legacy.

“I’ll never be Charlie, and I don’t want to be Charlie. I can’t! He was 1 of 1. I’m Brilyn, and if I seem eager it’s because I am. I watched the guy I looked up to get shot,” he said. “And I’m determined to make sure he didn’t die in vain and inspire my peers to carry out his legacy.”



It comes after the 19-year-old posted a video of himself traveling to Arkansas to begin his One Conversation at a Time Tour, which he has vowed will be a continuation of Kirk’s legacy after he was fatally shot in Utah earlier this month (Benjamin Hanson/Middle East Images/AFP via Getty)
Hollyhand also hit back at those claiming he was a “new comer,” having started a political podcast – “The Brilyn Hollyhand Show” – when he was just 11-years old. He has also hosted Kirk on his podcast twice previously and claimed he was encouraged by him to start speaking at TPUSA chapters around the country.


“I’m doing this tour now to try to motivate young people,” he wrote. “

“I’m getting nothing but hate from it. No paycheck or speaking fee or anything like that. We’re not selling anything. I’m just walking in and talking and trying to show them if I can get involved in the 4th grade they can to!”

Hollyhand did find one supporter online in the form of fellow conservative influencer Laura Loomer. The firebrand called on his “jealous” critics to “leave him alone.”

“You all know you’re only hating on this young man because he comes from money,” she added.

Teen hailed as Charlie Kirk ‘protégé’ is ripped by MAGA crowd after private jet video: ‘Country club’ conservative
 
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