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Why are “bj only” rates typically expected to be less than the normal rate?

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Do you find you enjoy your SP experiences more than the personal relationships you've had or dates?
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Not in a general sense, but it would be hard to be with the ratio. There’s a higher volume of professional encounters than personal encounters. And most personal encounters would likely be with someone I’ve already been with and know I enjoy being with.
So yea it does happen sometimes where clients blow my mind, and I have experiences often that are on par with what I would look for in a sexual partner personally. But if there’s a 10-2 ratio of business-personal, personal would likely have a higher percentage of more notable experiences. Mathematically speaking
 
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AshleyxMaddy said:
and I’d have to assume that if every SP only stuck to what they enjoyed, there would still be an SP out there for every gent, and a client base for every SP. Because everyone has different wants and needs when it comes to sex and intimacy.
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I suspect there would, I think the issue is just become whether it becomes enough to make a living at.
 
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So I am late to the party. If I repeat something already said, please forgive me.

I think I get the gist of it though. I will change it up a bit. I have a massage table. I don’t offer lower massage rates. Some guys don’t under that. I simply tell them that I am booked by time. You can use that time how you like. If you want a massage and HJ, if you want FS, if you want oral only, it is up to you.

I do also offer a BNG rate and that is the only rate that service specific. It is in the title - BNG. My other rates are listed by time. That is what I am offering. You book an amount of time, you have a list of things we can and cannot do in that time, and together we cultivate a session that the client desires.

Why do men think “oral only” should be cheaper? Because in their mind, it is not FS. They don’t get that we still have to get ready, get the room ready, dress up, and yes sucking a dick for 20-30 minutes is tiring on the jaw. It is often easier to preform FS. This is why many LL scam girls give a 2 minutes BJ and then turn around for doggy. They don’t have to do any work.

I hope this answers things a bit for both sides. OP - you seem to have you stuff together. You know what you are willing to offer, I would simply come up with a line you can provide every time a guy asks, IF you even want to entertain the question. I personally don’t. I just move on, but I have that privilege based on my type of work in this industry.
 
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Valcazar said:
I'm sure it is possible.
Market pressures are what they are.

But honestly, I haven't seen many people offer it at all.

Those who do, mostly offer it at lower, but the vast majority have a straight time rate and that's it.

(Social time is the same, the majority don't seem to offer it.)



I am pretty sure that it does exactly that.
There are guys on this board who have been around long enough to speak more thoroughly about the shift from CBJ to BBBJ that happened at one point.
That sounds a lot to me like the kind of market pressure for a service many people didn't want to give becoming standard to stay viable.

I don't think greek ever became that - a lot offer, but often as extra and lots still don't.

I think the having to constantly provide more than you are able to actually manage is an obvious potential source of burnout.
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I am of the opinion that you are paying for my time.It does not matter if it is a BJ or FS or other requested service. I offer the things I like. For example, if you like water sports, that is not for me. At least not cheap for me to pee on you :D

After reading this thread, I find it interesting. I do know massage parlours offer a BJ and FS rate. Maybe that is where it came from? Mind you the services are also all covered as well.

^^ I linked to this comment as I do offer social time .. I find it is a good way for someone to meet me and see if I am for them. I offer two hours of social time only and a variety of dates involving social time including FS/ Extras.
 
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I want everyone’s opinions on this. Clients and SPs weigh in for me ❤

Now, I’m not dense I do understand the general concept behind “less being provided” should equal less paid. However, I don’t agree that only a bj is actually less provided. Allow me to explain. And I also want to preface this by stating this isn’t about the people asking for bj only because they know they’ll likely be in and out in 5min or less. This is specifically about the gentleman who request a lengthy 20-30min session of it.

Anyone who has given head to either man or woman can agree that it does take a certain amount of jaw power and can get tiring and somewhat painful after a bit, right? So there’s that.
Also, I don’t know many real people who genuinely orgasm from giving oral. It can be a turn on and pleasurable in its own way to be pleasing who you’re with. But in a general sense it doesn’t feel as good to give head as it does to be having sex. I think that’s something else we can all agree on.

So my thought on it is, if someone is putting in more effort with a targeted area of their body, and not receiving the enjoyment they would with the full service, why expect them to charge less? Is there an assumption that SPs don’t want to do full service and would rather discount a bj only session to avoid it? If so, where did that start?

I would rather be enjoying myself and potentially getting to orgasm with full service so the concept of spending the same amount of time putting in more effort for less enjoyment and a lower payment rate just doesn’t make sense to me at all.

Do any other SPs feel similarly? Am I just cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs? Let’s discuss ❤
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The main reason is that a BJ is lower on the “hierarchy” of sexual acts we all have learned/ been indoctrinated with by society.
I.e. kissing <petting over clothes< petting under clothes/ mutual masturbation,<oral <vaginal sex < anal sex, in that order.
 
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AshleyxMaddy said:
I want everyone’s opinions on this. Clients and SPs weigh in for me ❤

Now, I’m not dense I do understand the general concept behind “less being provided” should equal less paid. However, I don’t agree that only a bj is actually less provided. Allow me to explain. And I also want to preface this by stating this isn’t about the people asking for bj only because they know they’ll likely be in and out in 5min or less. This is specifically about the gentleman who request a lengthy 20-30min session of it.

Anyone who has given head to either man or woman can agree that it does take a certain amount of jaw power and can get tiring and somewhat painful after a bit, right? So there’s that.
Also, I don’t know many real people who genuinely orgasm from giving oral. It can be a turn on and pleasurable in its own way to be pleasing who you’re with. But in a general sense it doesn’t feel as good to give head as it does to be having sex. I think that’s something else we can all agree on.

So my thought on it is, if someone is putting in more effort with a targeted area of their body, and not receiving the enjoyment they would with the full service, why expect them to charge less? Is there an assumption that SPs don’t want to do full service and would rather discount a bj only session to avoid it? If so, where did that start?

I would rather be enjoying myself and potentially getting to orgasm with full service so the concept of spending the same amount of time putting in more effort for less enjoyment and a lower payment rate just doesn’t make sense to me at all.

Do any other SPs feel similarly? Am I just cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs? Let’s discuss ❤
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I understand some SP's offer rates based on intimate services and others on time spent. I myself am the latter. I get it, overall clients may feel they are "getting less" so should pay less. Makes sense from that perspective. For me it's about energy and time given and the outcome is the same. I don't like to parse apart each individual services and haggle/negotiate in such a way I think it cheapens what I am looking to bring to time with a client. That's the thing I love about the industry you get to set rates based on what your parameters of service and energy are. Clients who align with you will find you. And clients who differ will find someone else who shares their perspective.

The big caveat being social/platonic dates.
 
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Usually a blow and go special is priced lesser then full service because it's just one particular service you be receiving and/or for a shorter time for the most part.

Some individuals too just want a quick release since they may be on a work break or in a hurry for whatever reasoning or would rather just get thier D suck over intaking on other "stuff" or fetishes or desires.

End of the day, seeing an escort is a luxury experience in hopes the provider you do see is your type in person, has a good personality and trys thier best within the time. No one wants a rude provider who just takes money and kicks you out in five minutes.

Also, many clients do not have disposable incomes to be spending $300-$500 weekly or bi-weekly for a 30 minute to an hour with a provider, and saving up takes time too with all other expenses we all have to pay for.

It also all depends on the service provider on what they feel comfortable doing within thier time and what they want to charge too.

My best advice is to message around to see who fits into your price range and service likings since there are many independent providers and agency providers in thr GTA area and Ontario to book or see.
 
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Am I the only one who prefers licking to sucking and light kissing when it comes to BJ? Can I get a discount since, based on this topic, it seems sucking is more of a physically demanding activity? If only we could actively measure the amount of calories spent and set the rate based on it.
 
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Pamela Lee69 said:
I am of the opinion that you are paying for my time.It does not matter if it is a BJ or FS or other requested service. I offer the things I like. For example, if you like water sports, that is not for me. At least not cheap for me to pee on you :D

After reading this thread, I find it interesting. I do know massage parlours offer a BJ and FS rate. Maybe that is where it came from? Mind you the services are also all covered as well.

^^ I linked to this comment as I do offer social time .. I find it is a good way for someone to meet me and see if I am for them. I offer two hours of social time only and a variety of dates involving social time including FS/ Extras.
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I'm a big fan of social time, myself, mostly for the same reasons you like offering it.
 
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Am I the only one who prefers licking to sucking and light kissing when it comes to BJ? Can I get a discount since, based on this topic, it seems sucking is more of a physically demanding activity? If only we could actively measure the amount of calories spent and set the rate based on it.
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I'm with you on the sensual teasing BJ. Intense pleasure that can easily last beyond 20/30 minutes. Does not fit in the BNG model designed for a quick release. But yeah less work for the SP.
Some SPs offer a cheaper social hourly rate. Wish there was a lower rate based on less stress/work for the SP on this type of BJ
 
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