Another ICE shooting in Minneapolis today

squeezer

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Maybe. But she‘d make a better President than Hillary or Bill.
But Biden was a better President than Trump ever was. Then again, any felon from a low-risk institution would be better than the current felon in office at the moment.
 

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But Biden was a better President than Trump ever was. Then again, any felon from a low-risk institution would be better than the current felon in office at the moment.
I dunno, its all looking like hegemony now. Whether the overt of trump or covert of Biden.
What trump has done is make the world see america as it really is, a rogue state like Russia that also puts out nice movies.
 

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I dunno, its all looking like hegemony now. Whether the overt of trump or covert of Biden.
What trump has done is make the world see america as it really is, a rogue state like Russia that also puts out nice movies.
To call Biden rogue, tells me you have gone to far into your own narrative. Under Biden, the US was respected internationally and just because he didn't fawn over HAMAS doesn't change that fact.
 

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To call Biden rogue, tells me you have gone to far into your own narrative. Under Biden, the US was respected internationally and just because he didn't fawn over HAMAS doesn't change that fact.
I'm talking more about the long history of american 'interventions', from South America to the middle east the states have long acted in their own interests. They tried to work largely outside the UN, but with NATO or coalition support as much as possible over the last couple of decades but historically the states have objectively not been that different than Russia. The coups in South America and attempts to put in puppet leaders over working with the UN was always their preference. We went along as long as we could justify supporting 'democracy' or some kind of 'pragmatic principles' where it was better to play along then fight trade wars.

Biden did well at maintaining the facade until Gaza. Remember there were mass protests against Iraq but the Bushes managed to convince the country to go along. Not so with Gaza, those protests and views have only increased over the span of the genocide.

America was 'respected' previously but more in the way that you could predict what they were going to do and it was possible to make deals with them. Under trump none of those are true anymore.

Do you want to discuss the list of american 'interventions' and tell us how many of those are morally much superior to Russia taking Georgia or trying to take Ukraine?
Vietnam?
Korea?
Iraq?
Venezuela?
The coups in South America?
 

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I'm talking more about the long history of american 'interventions', from South America to the middle east the states have long acted in their own interests. They tried to work largely outside the UN, but with NATO or coalition support as much as possible over the last couple of decades but historically the states have objectively not been that different than Russia. The coups in South America and attempts to put in puppet leaders over working with the UN was always their preference. We went along as long as we could justify supporting 'democracy' or some kind of 'pragmatic principles' where it was better to play along then fight trade wars.

Biden did well at maintaining the facade until Gaza. Remember there were mass protests against Iraq but the Bushes managed to convince the country to go along. Not so with Gaza, those protests and views have only increased over the span of the genocide.

America was 'respected' previously but more in the way that you could predict what they were going to do and it was possible to make deals with them. Under trump none of those are true anymore.

Do you want to discuss the list of american 'interventions' and tell us how many of those are morally much superior to Russia taking Georgia or trying to take Ukraine?
Vietnam?
Korea?
Iraq?
Venezuela?
The coups in South America?

I agree with neutering Iran.

I agree with neutering HAMAS.

If Arab voters were supposedly so concerned about Gaza, maybe turning out in massive numbers for Kamala likes Jews did for Trump, would have been the smarter move because Trump didn’t exactly hide what he was going to do. But sure, let’s pretend that once the Trump Towers go up in Gaza, everything will magically be fine. Luxury condos fix everything, right?

As for the broader point internationally, under Biden, the U.S. was predictable again. Allies could negotiate. NATO wasn’t treated like a protection racket. Agreements meant something. That doesn’t mean every decision was perfect, but stability and credibility matter in global politics.

Under Trump, allies are not sure whether the U.S. will honor commitments from one week to the next. Yet you want to equate Biden admin also being rogue because he didn't kiss HAMAS's ass.

You can criticize American foreign policy; there’s plenty to debate. But pretending there’s no difference between steady, alliance-based diplomacy and erratic strongman theatrics is just willful blindness.
 

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I agree with neutering Iran.

I agree with neutering HAMAS.

If Arab voters were supposedly so concerned about Gaza, maybe turning out in massive numbers for Kamala likes Jews did for Trump, would have been the smarter move because Trump didn’t exactly hide what he was going to do. But sure, let’s pretend that once the Trump Towers go up in Gaza, everything will magically be fine. Luxury condos fix everything, right?

As for the broader point internationally, under Biden, the U.S. was predictable again. Allies could negotiate. NATO wasn’t treated like a protection racket. Agreements meant something. That doesn’t mean every decision was perfect, but stability and credibility matter in global politics.

Under Trump, allies are not sure whether the U.S. will honor commitments from one week to the next. Yet you want to equate Biden admin also being rogue because he didn't kiss HAMAS's ass.

You can criticize American foreign policy; there’s plenty to debate. But pretending there’s no difference between steady, alliance-based diplomacy and erratic strongman theatrics is just willful blindness.
Sure, a predictable strong man like Putin is easier to deal with than a wacko like trump.

But the Israel thing is still old school colonialism like in South America or trump's attempt to take the oil from Venezuela. The only state there that needs neutering is Israel, from the apartheid/occupation/genocide to its attacks on 8 other countries to its occupation of land from 3 other countries, Israel is the problem. Not the solution.

Hamas was just the latest resistance from the 78 year long occupation of Palestine, in retrospect they acted like armed resistance trying to take hostages to exchange with Israel while Israel has been the side doing the raping, torture and killing of kids. On top of that you've got Epstein working with Mossad and Netanyahu to blackmail america. You really gonna pick the side of genocide and Epstein here?

Harris lost over support of the genocide and now AOC is the most popular dem in america. We'll see if the dems shut her down like they shut down Bernie.

 

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The Mount Rushmore of thread opening post quotes:


This one looks pretty bad.
Unless the victim pulled a gun, I don't see how this can be justified
- Philthy McNutsy
Still waiting for the bodycam video that determines that
 

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They didn't have bodycams back then, smartypants
Duh.

That's what makes your "Waiting for Godot" foolishness regarding the "never to arrive" release of the ICE public execution bodycam videos so exquisitely ludicrous.
 

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Duh.

That's what makes your "Waiting for Godot" foolishness regarding the "never to arrive" release of the ICE public execution bodycam videos so exquisitely ludicrous
If/when this case goes to court the judge will order a release of the bodycam video.
Even a civil lawsuit can trigger a release
 
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The polls had him winning before the election.
Now you're going all trump and declaring the elections fixed cuz you don't like the results.

Speaking of which:

Even Newsom knows supporting Israel is now political death.
If you are referring to Talerico, I preferred him beating Crocket because he has a better chance of ousting a Republican. I don't know why you thought I wanted Crocket, even though I like Crocket. A black woman cannot win in a red state.

Unlike you, I just want Dems that can win. You are the one who supported Trump in 2024.
 

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If you are referring to Talerico, I preferred him beating Crocket because he has a better chance of ousting a Republican. I don't know why you thought I wanted Crocket, even though I like Crocket. A black woman cannot win in a red state.

Unlike you, I just want Dems that can win. You are the one who supported Trump in 2024.
I was the one that was here saying that Harris supporting the genocide would cost her the election and that dems needed to work to get her to change her policy.
I was right.

Its ridiculous to blame those who said they wouldn't vote for genocide instead of blaming the politicians who wouldn't listen to their voters.

Just as its ridiculous not to support the one politician who will not back that losing position.

 
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