War with Iran
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You don't make people free by bombing them.
At this point its fair game to do it. And would probably cause enough chaos in Isaeli politics to pause things.
But good luck targeting him. He has effectively disappeared.
Correct. Trump cannot survive a long-drawn out conflict or a reverse.
As far as the latter statement, define regime change. That's just a rhetorical question in general.
We're likely not going to see a dramatic shift to democratic governance.
We could possibly see an autocratic government, but far less oppressive socially than the mullahs. The Iranian government can also be more interested in economic development with an obvious interest in advancing its oil industry.
The end goal of this confrontation is defanging the Iranian nuclear and missile programs. An Iran that is no longer a threat to the region will be a benefit to global security and prosperity.
The end goal is its destabilization. Preferably into a Libya type situation.
I was having a hard time following Carney's position the last 72 hours as well.
Judging from the reactions of just Canadians here on TERB, there's something for everyone. Take your pick.
This is the first time we have americans supporting the end of democracy in america on this board.
You're going to bomb Iran into freedom while backing turning america into a similar, but nicer, autocratic state.
Its just like ace, coming from the Philipines and then backing the kind of corruption he says he escaped from.
amazing
I ponder what sort of regime change is possible with a heavily ideological, monolithic, collegial government which has shown no flexibility whatsoever in the previous 40 years.
Trump's administration is completely incompetent. Israel however is extremely competent at waging conflict. I cling to hope that the Israelis have this all figured out.
end of democracy in America...coming from a guy who has entrenched his position to support the Regime in iran... In case you have not learn... Trump was an elected President via democratic process.
They are good at conducting air strikes on sitting ducks like Gaza and Iran.
They are neither good at finding resolutions to political conflicts, nor do they care.
If they did, they wouldn't be in one for the last 80 years.
You have typically lumped every foreign policy situation into the same basket. Pretty much to sell your political perspective.
Venezuela is not Afghanistan. Iran is not Iraq. Iraq isn't even Libya.
I wouldn't say Iran had a Western outlook, but it has a very high rate of literacy and urbanization. The latter is important because of its influence on modernity and the ability of rural religious conservatism to impact the society. Iran is also a relatively young country.
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Did you read wyatt's post?
He said it, I commented on it.
Are you really still arguing that bombing cities is how you get democracy?
I think you're closer to these people.
Perhaps the Administration is incompetent.
I have an equal fear that our intelligence agencies have ideological differences in the way they view the world and the U.S.' role. Over the decades, U.S. intelligence agencies have been known to have their own agendas.
I doubt you have these differences in Israeli ranks.
Every one of those wars was wrong morally and in support of american imperialism.
We are watching the end of american hegemony.
Omfg.....
Iran is Persia, and has thousands of years of history. Maybe its birders are more recent as the Brits redrew things to their liking but the culture is OLD. As is its own pride, patriotism, and sense of community. Far more than any other gulf state.
I have dumped nothing. Nothing has in fact changed in Venezuela for its people. They are just paying the Trump protection racket now.
Iraq is fractured, so is Syria, Libya is a nightmare. And the USA is already trying to push the Kurds to get in it. Although from what I've seen they aren't falling for it this time. The USA is sending in B-52's. That means carpet bombing of urban areas. Destruction of all infrastructure.
What the fuck do you think happens then? Back to normal?
Why the fuck should we suddenly believe, with the history we have, that suddenly THIS TIME will be different.
And how you can continue to support the USA being Israel's BITCH in this, as told by the Secretary of State himself, and call yourself a moderate American, is just beyond me.
You go to the Scott Jennings school of political thought?
OH OH! If Trump's war doesn't wrap up soon and gas comes back down, he's done like dinner at Salty's house!
