$100 billion for 7 minutes

[Frankfooter]

No, this isn't about Elon or trump's hobbying.

Doug Ford is going to spend $100 billion of Ontario money to build a tunnel under the 401.
He had his government check it out years ago and they said it would save 7 minutes off the drive across town, cause years of delay and likely collapse.

But DoFo's developer buddies will make bank, so on it goes.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1953109403298652341

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1952778067140628962

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1952752890902167969

 

[SaturnFan]

DoFo points out that there are underground tunnels in the world such as the English Channel 'Chunnel' and railroad tunnels through mountains in Europe. But .... to my knowledge there are no tunnels underneath busy freeways anywhere in the world, which is a new set of circumstances.

A tunnel under the 401 is a bad idea.

 

[SchlongConery]

The scale of the civil works in constructing this tunnel are beyond comprehension. And the decade of chaos with tens of millions of dump trucks dumping the dirt somewhere will snarl traffic and destroy roads where they drive to unload will make the inconvenience of a few sections of Gardiner bridge deck look like a car on the side of the road fixing a flat tire for 10 minutes.

And it will fill up to capacity as soon as it opens.

'Induced. demand' is a proven theory that states that increasing road capacity does not reduce congestion as the extra capacity only increases use.

 

[richaceg]

Franky this I will agree with you...this is total bullcrap.

 

[roddermac]

DoFo points out that there are underground tunnels in the world such as the English Channel 'Chunnel' and railroad tunnels through mountains in Europe. But .... to my knowledge there are no tunnels underneath busy freeways anywhere in the world, which is a new set of circumstances.

A tunnel under the 401 is a bad idea.

Spain China and Boston.

 

[optimusprime69]

I feel gross agreeing with you but here we are.....

 

[Frankfooter]

Apparently the company that pitched it also pitched a tunnel under the Gardiner.

How Toronto considered a privately-operated tunnel to alleviate congestion | Globalnews.ca

While the idea was later dropped, former mayor John Tory's office appeared to be seriously weighing the project and suggested it to the federal government.

globalnews.ca

Then DoFo's team looked at the 401 proposal and thought it was stupid so killed it.
Until now.

Ford government started studying Hwy. 401 tunnel after private-sector bids: docs | Globalnews.ca

A slew of internal documents from the Ministry of Transportation reveals how three private-sector bids helped spark Doug Ford's plan to tunnel an expressway under Highway 401.

globalnews.ca

 

[SaturnFan]

The world’s longest highway tunnel is currently the Lærdal Tunnel in Norway at 24.5 km length and took 5 years to build. DoFo’s proposed tunnel is at least twice as long.

 

[opieshuffle]

The world’s longest highway tunnel is currently the Lærdal Tunnel in Norway at 24.5 km length and took 5 years to build. DoFo’s proposed tunnel is at least twice as long.

And based on the Eglinton Crosstown will take until we're all in adult diapers dreaming of our pooning days on this site, to get built! As for some of the examples, go read up on Boston's Big Dig. Seattle getting the boring machine stuck and having to dig a new tunnel to fix it, not to mention the buildings along the waterfront "sinking" due to the hole. Ask how many people are using the tunnel in Vegas or the subway in Los Angeles. (who builds a subway tunnel in a fault zone?!)

Make all trucks use the 407 for free. It'll be 100x cheaper and many of the warehouses they need to access easier. I dunno... just spitballin' here

 

[Frankfooter]

And based on the Eglinton Crosstown will take until we're all in adult diapers dreaming of our pooning days on this site, to get built! As for some of the examples, go read up on Boston's Big Dig. Seattle getting the boring machine stuck and having to dig a new tunnel to fix it, not to mention the buildings along the waterfront "sinking" due to the hole. Ask how many people are using the tunnel in Vegas or the subway in Los Angeles. (who builds a subway tunnel in a fault zone?!)

Make all trucks use the 407 for free. It'll be 100x cheaper and many of the warehouses they need to access easier. I dunno... just spitballin' here

The NDP campaigned on paying truck fees for the 407 during the last election.
That idea came from them.