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We know how some folks here love numbers. Here's some numbers from the Feds,

Feds: 35.5M In U.S. Struggle To Buy Food
Survey, Based On Census Bureau Data, Does Not Include The Homeless
WASHINGTON, Nov. 15, 2007


(AP) More than 35.5 million people in the United States went hungry in 2006 as they struggled to find jobs that can support them, a figure that was virtually unchanged from the previous year.

That's according to an Agriculture Department study, which says single mothers and their children were among the most likely to be in this situation.

The 35.5 million people represented more than 1 in 10, or 12.1 percent, who said they did not have enough money or resources to get food for at least some period during the year, according to the department's annual hunger survey. That is compared with 35.1 million people who made similar claims in 2005.

"This is encouraging, but we know we have more work to do," said Kate Houston, the department's deputy undersecretary for food, nutrition and consumer services. She said the numbers aren't much different from 2005, which saw a decline after five straight years of increases.

Of the 35.5 million people, 11.1 million reported they had "very low food security," meaning they had a substantial disruption in the amount of food they typically eat. For example, among families, a third of those facing disruption in the food they typically eat said an adult in their family did not eat for a whole day because they could not afford it.

"No one in America should go hungry," Houston said.

The survey was based on Census Bureau data and does not include the homeless. About three-quarters of a million people were homeless on a given day in 2005, according to federal estimates.
I am sure that BOT's response will be, "I got mine, so who cares?"

But it's a great economy. Right BOT? Let's send all of those single moms and children out to earn a living. Let's cancel those child labor laws and get the kiddies on an assembly line instead of a bread line. Little bastards on the public dole.
 

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For those who would like to actually understand this....

I offer:

November 13, 2007
Hunger Hysteria: Examining Food Security and Obesity in America
by Robert E. Rector
WebMemo #1701

This week, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) released its annual report on household food security in the United States. According to USDA, some 12.5 million households, or roughly 11 percent of all households, experienced "household food insecurity" at some point in 2006 and some 35 million people lived in households with some form of food insecurity.[1] Most of these households were low income. The report showed little change in food security levels in the U.S. over the last decade.

Food Insecurity, Hunger, and Obesity

While these numbers sound ominous, it is important to understand what "food insecurity" means. According to the USDA, "food insecurity" is usually a recurring and episodic problem rather than a chronic condition.[2] In 2006, around two-thirds of food insecure households experienced "low food security," meaning that these households managed to avoid any disruption or reduction in food intake throughout the year but were forced by financial pressures to reduce "variety in their diets" or rely on a "few basic foods" at various times in the year.[3] According to the USDA, the remaining one-third of food insecure households (around 4 percent of all households) experienced "very low food security," meaning that at least once in the year their actual intake of food was reduced due to a lack of funds for food purchase.[4] At the extreme, about 1.4 percent of all adults in the U.S. went an entire day without eating at least once during 2006 due to lack of funds for food.[5]

Children are generally shielded from food insecurity. Around one child in two hundred experienced "very low food security" and reduced food intake at least one time during 2006. One child in a thousand went a whole day without eating at least once during the year because the family lacked funds for food.[6]

Political advocates proclaim that the USDA reports suggest there is widespread chronic hunger in the U.S.[7] But the USDA clearly and specifically does not identify food insecurity with the more intense condition of "hunger," which it defines as "discomfort, illness, weakness, or pain...caused by prolonged involuntary lack of food."[8]

What is rarely discussed is that the government's own data show that the overwhelming majority of food insecure adults are, like most adult Americans, overweight or obese. Among adult males experiencing food insecurity, fully 70 percent are overweight or obese.[9] Nearly three-quarters of adult women experiencing food insecurity are either overweight or obese, and nearly half (45 percent) are obese. Virtually no food insecure adults are underweight.

Food insecure men are slightly less likely to be overweight or obese than men who are food secure (70 percent compared to 75 percent). But food insecure women are actually more likely to be obese or overweight than are women who are food secure (73 percent compared to 64 percent).

Eating Too Much, Not Too Little

Thus, the government's own data show that, even though they may have brief episodes of reduced food intake, most adults in food insecure households actually consume too much, not too little, food. To improve health, policies must be devised to encourage these individuals to avoid chronic over-consumption of calories and to spread their food intake more evenly over the course of each month to avoid episodic shortfalls.

Yet most proposed policy responses to food insecurity call for giving low-income persons more money to purchase food despite the fact that most low-income persons, like most Americans, already eat too much. Such policies are likely to make the current situation worse, not better. One commonly proposed policy, for example, is to expand participation in the Food Stamp program. Participation in the Food Stamp program, however, does not appear to reduce food insecurity. Households receiving food stamps do not have improved food security compared to similar households with the same non-food stamp income who do not participate in the program.[10] Moreover, participation in the Food Stamp program does not appear to increase diet quality. Compared to similar households who do not receive food stamps but have the same non-food stamp income, households receiving food stamps do not consume more fruits and vegetables but do, unfortunately, consume more added sugars and fats.[11]

While the Food Stamp program has little positive effect on food quality, considerable evidence indicates that the program has the counter-productive effect of increasing obesity. For example, a recent study funded by USDA found that low-income women who participate in the Food Stamp program are substantially more likely to be obese than women in households with the same non-food stamp income who did not receive food stamps. Over the long term, food stamp receipt was found to increase obesity in men as well.[12] While other research has failed to confirm this link between food stamps and obesity, the possibility that this program has harmful effects remains quite real.[13]

Developing a rational policy on nutrition and poor Americans will require dispelling common misconceptions concerning poverty and obesity. For example, one common misconception is that poor people become obese because they are forced, due to a lack of financial resources, to eat too many junk foods that are high in fat and added sugar. According to this theory, poor persons struggle to obtain sufficient calories to maintain themselves and are forced to rely on junk foods as the cheapest source of calories, but because junk foods have high "energy density" (more calories per ounce of food content), these foods paradoxically induce a tendency to overeat and thereby cause weight gain.[14]

One problem with this theory is that junk foods are not a particularly cheap source of calories. For example, soft drinks are high in added sugar and are generally associated with weight gain, but as a source of calories, brand name soft drinks such as Coca-Cola and Pepsi are often more expensive (in terms of calories per dollar) than milk.[15] Snack foods such as potato chips and donuts cost two to five times more per calorie than healthier staples such as beans, rice, and pasta. Families truly seeking to maximize calories per dollar of food expenditure would focus not on junk and snack foods but on traditional low-cost staples such as beans, rice, flour, pasta, and milk. These foods are not only less expensive but actually have below-average energy density and therefore a lower potential to promote weight gain.[16]

In reality, poor people are increasingly becoming overweight for the same reason that most Americans are becoming overweight: They eat too much and exercise too little. Like the rest of America, the poor eat too many high-fat foods and foods with added sugars, but they do this for the same reason the average American over-consumes these foods: They are highly palatable. While it would be desirable for poor people (like all Americans) to drink fewer soft drinks and eat more broccoli, simply expanding the Food Stamp program would not accomplish that goal. What is required is a very difficult effort to change food preferences.

Conclusion

Contrary to the claims of poverty advocates, the major dietary problem facing poor Americans is too much, not too little, food. Public policies should be directed toward encouraging the poor to avoid chronic over-consumption, exercise more, and reduce intake of foods rich in fat and added sugar.

Robert Rector is Senior Research Fellow in Domestic Policy Studies at The Heritage Foundation.
 

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You have already posted Rector's drivel.

As I pointed out some time ago, it's instructive to look at what other things this author has written and look at its validity.

Rector has written several articles on the "success" of abstinence-only sex ed in schools. Problem is that he is so utterly wrong (there are many, many studies -- competent studies -- which prove him wrong) that one has to wonder about the tortured logic he must go through to make this claim.

If I could paraphrase Mr Rector, it would be, "There's no bread to eat? Why look at that -- they are eating cake."

Rector's claims fall into the same category of unsubstantiated BS that your favorite President Saint Ronnie Raygun used to make about welfare queens -- a species that, if it existed at all, existed only in Ronnie's imagination.

My suggestion, BOT, is to try to sustain yourself on the kind of diet -- or lack therefore -- for a few days that the poor in the US eat.

But, of course, doing so would require courage -- something that you, time and again, have shown us that you sorely lack.
 

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TOVisitor said:
You have already posted Rector's drivel.

As I pointed out some time ago, it's instructive to look at what other things this author has written and look at its validity.

Rector has written several articles on the "success" of abstinence-only sex ed in schools. Problem is that he is so utterly wrong (there are many, many studies -- competent studies -- which prove him wrong) that one has to wonder about the tortured logic he must go through to make this claim.

If I could paraphrase Mr Rector, it would be, "There's no bread to eat? Why look at that -- they are eating cake."

Rector's claims fall into the same category of unsubstantiated BS that your favorite President Saint Ronnie Raygun used to make about welfare queens -- a species that, if it existed at all, existed only in Ronnie's imagination.

My suggestion, BOT, is to try to sustain yourself on the kind of diet -- or lack therefore -- for a few days that the poor in the US eat.

But, of course, doing so would require courage -- something that you, time and again, have shown us that you sorely lack.
Not a single argument against anything in the article..... facts are our friends TOV....

Do you wonder why there is no talk of hunger in America, because there isn't any.... the poorest among us are the most overweight.

Owned on your own thread, one of the few that anyone bothered to post on that is.

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US Census said:
Of the 35.5 million people, 11.1 million reported they had "very low food security," meaning they had a substantial disruption in the amount of food they typically eat. For example, among families, a third of those facing disruption in the food they typically eat said an adult in their family did not eat for a whole day because they could not afford it.
Absolutely right, BOT. If I had the choice of believing the US Census or believing Rector, I would go with Rector, because he has been right so many other times.

The fact that the Census says that "one-third of families facing food problems say that an adult does not eat at all for a whole day" is not really a fact in your world -- must be an opinion.

You have told us that there is no talk of hunger in America. Must be the circles you travel in. Kind of like the circles that claim that there is no racism in America (something that Tony Snow recently claimed). These also are the circles that claim that there is widespread voting fraud in America.

All of these circles -- they are called Republicans -- have been shown to have their heads up their ass.
 

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99% of Americans have no idea what hunger and being poor is....the least fortunate in this country are lightyears ahead of any person in the rest of the world, in a similiar situation.

Hurry up just talk to those people in Europe after WW2...
 

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Without very much searching we find this ...
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The Ever-Present Yet Nonexistent Poor

January 1, 1999
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As a poverty specialist for the conservative Heritage Foundation, Robert Rector is one of the right-wing media machine's most prolific pundits. In 1996, the year of the welfare reform debate, he was cited in media outlets an average of more than 15 times a month (Nexis). Rector also feeds a vast network of right-wing talkshow hosts and syndicated columnists who pick up and broadcast his findings. Yet for all his influence, Rector's work is a mess of misleading statistics and specious arguments all contrived to accomplish a single goal: to cut spending on the poor.

In 1995, Rector testified before Congress that "since the onset of the War on Poverty, the U.S. has spent over $5.3 trillion on welfare. But during the same period, the official poverty rate has remained virtually unchanged." Rector's figure--which he soon updated to $5.4 trillion--is grossly misleading: It includes huge amounts of spending not directed towards families on welfare.

The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities calculated that approximately 70 percent of the federal spending that Rector classified as "welfare" went to households that did not receive Aid to Families With Dependent Children, the core welfare program in recent decades. Instead, most of the money went to non-AFDC households with elderly, disabled or "medically needy" individuals, as well as students and low-income workers--not groups most people would associate with "welfare."

Even if Rector's $5.4 trillion figure were accurate, it would need to be put in perspective. Spending on "national defense" since 1964 overshadows even Rector's inflated "welfare" number, exceeding $8 trillion at the time of Rector's testimony--and that figure does not include spending on intelligence, foreign military aid and other military-related items.

Despite its flimsiness, Rector's charge echoed through the media. The Los Angeles Times published a column by Rector (7/11/95) making the $5.4 trillion claim. He repeated the figure on a PBS NewsHour panel (12/26/95). Tony Snow picked it up in a column in USA Today (9/25/95) and Linda Bowles published it in a Chicago Tribune column (7/31/96). Syndicated columnist Walter Williams then placed it in the Cincinnati Enquirer (11/26/95) and Dallas Morning News (12/9/95), among other papers. The figure reappeared in the Arizona Republic this year in a news article about welfare fraud (4/19/98).

Erasing Hunger

Despite his 1995 claim before Congress that 30 years of welfare spending had not reduced poverty, Rector has at the same time argued for years that poverty has fallen so steeply since the War on Poverty that virtually no one in America today is really poor (see Footnote*). This argument was enunciated by Rector in a 1990 Heritage Foundation "Backgrounder" titled "How 'Poor' Are America's Poor?" and Rector has updated the paper several times since then--always around the September release of the Census Bureau's annual poverty report. Rector's report is given a different name each time it's released--this year's version was called "The Myth of Widespread American Poverty"--but the content is virtually identical from one year to the next.

Rector writes in the 1998 report that "despite frequent charges of widespread hunger in the United States, 84 percent of the poor report their families have 'enough' food to eat; 13 percent state they 'sometimes' do not have enough to eat, and 3 percent say they 'often' do not have enough to eat." But his figures are taken from the "food sufficiency" portion of the 1988-1991 Health and Nutrition Examination Survey conducted by the Department of Health and Human Services, which is considered by many researchers to be an inadequate measure of hunger. He fails to mention in his report the authoritative 1995 Food Security Survey, performed by the Census Bureau on behalf of the USDA, which was designed to improve upon the old "food sufficiency" measure.

The Census study found that in addition to the 14 percent of poor individuals found to be hungry that year, another 25 percent of the poor were classified as "food insecure." That means those households had a "limited or uncertain availability of nutritionally adequate and safe foods or limited or uncertain ability to acquire acceptable foods in socially acceptable ways." For example, 81 percent of respondents in households classified as "food insecure" said that sometimes in the past 12 months the food that they bought "just didn't last" and they "didn't have money to get more." 63 percent said they could sometimes provide "only a few kinds of low-cost food to feed the children" because they "were running out of money to buy food."

Nationwide, 13.8 percent of Americans, poor and non-poor, were either hungry or food insecure--a number identical to the 13.8 percent poverty rate that year. In other words, while it is true that not every person counted as officially poor lacked food, for every officially poor person who didn't lack food, another (officially "non-poor") person did.

Curiously, despite his omission of the Census Bureau's more recent findings, Rector was not unaware of them; he refers to the Census Bureau's study in a footnote. One can only wonder how Rector happened to come across the newer report while leaving out its salient findings.

The Wealthy Poor

Rector makes much of the fact that many poor people own cars. "Seventy percent of 'poor' households own a car; 27 percent own two or more cars." But Rector does not stop to consider that many of these households might need cars to get to their jobs. In fact, the 69.7 percent of poor households that Rector reports as having one or more cars in 1995 roughly mirrors the 61.4 percent of poor households with one or more workers in that year.

Rector has claimed that "poor Americans live in larger houses or apartments" than "the general population in Western Europe." Presumably as evidence of this assertion, he included in this year's report a chart titled "International Comparison of Living Space." However, what the chart actually compares is the average floor space per person in certain European cities, such as Paris and Athens, with the average floor space in all poor U.S. households--22 percent of whom live in rural areas and 33 percent of whom live in suburbs. (Even with such an egregious bias, his numbers are underwhelming: The mostly rural and suburban homes of the U.S. poor are only about one-fourth larger than the average home in notoriously crowded Paris.)

The intent of Rector's dubious number-crunching was to make his point that "there is a huge gap between the 'poor' as defined by the Census Bureau and what most ordinary Americans consider to be poverty." He was more right than he knew. That same year, the National Opinion Research Center conducted a poll of "ordinary Americans" asking the question: "What amount of weekly income would you use as a poverty line for a family of four (husband, wife and two children) in this community?" The official poverty line for such a family that year was $14,654 a year, or $282 weekly. Sixty-four percent of respondents suggested a figure greater than $282.

The following year, the Center for the Study of Policy Attitudes conducted a poll in which respondents were told the current poverty line and asked whether they thought the line should be "set higher, set lower, or kept about the same." Fifty-eight percent said the poverty line should be higher and 32 percent said it should be kept about the same. Only 7 percent said it should be lower. The respondents who thought the poverty line should be changed suggested an average level of $19,400--more than $4,600 higher than the actual level that year. (Given the percentage of "non-poor" people who have trouble buying enough food, this seems like a more realistic standard.)

All these flaws did not keep Rector's poverty "research" from being taken seriously by various media outlets--not just by Rush Limbaugh (9/25/98). His most recent paper prompted a news article in the Atlanta Journal & Constitution (9/25/98) and columns in such papers as the Kansas City Star (9/26/98), Christian Science Monitor (10/7/98) and Chicago Tribune (11/25/98).
While an old article rebutting Rector, he makes the same tired arguments.

Pwn3d, BOT.
 

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Something more recent...
SEPTEMBER 12, 2007
Kill The Poor
Phony poverty study fools lazy journalists
BY TED RALL


NEW YORK—They're baaack! Once again, the Heritage Foundation is mangling statistics to whitewash the ugly facts of life in Republican-run America.

Last time, in 2005, they attacked the image of U.S. soldiers as cannon fodder being exploited for Halliburton. Au contraire, claimed the conservative propaganda mill. American troops, they said, were actually "wealthier, more educated and more rural than the average" citizen. Of course, this wasn't true. Military personnel are poorer and less educated than the average Joe, I found, when I took a closer look. Heritage's soldier study used junk logic and apples-to-oranges statistics to promote the GOP's wars against Iraq and Afghanistan. And it worked.

The lazy men who run the big newspapers and TV networks, deluded into believing there are two sides to every story, dutifully repeated Heritage's lies. They never questioned a word. More soldiers died. The Heritage story made us feel less guilty about it.

Now Heritage is telling us that there are no poor people—very few, anyway, and then only for short periods of time—in the United States. The truth is that capitalism is failing millions of Americans. The less we think about the problem, the less we think it is a problem, the worse it will become.

The pseudoacademic demagogues of the right want us to distrust our own eyes. Panhandlers? "Homeless by choice" urban campers, Ronald Reagan, patron saint of modern Republicanism, called them. Single mothers? He said they were "welfare queens." Americans who live in the sprawling slums of the inner cities, the washed-up Walmarted Main Streets of the farm belt, and the scary barred-window suburbs of California and Georgia and Illinois? They're living large, says the Heritage Foundation in a "study" whose dubious findings have already been reprinted—completely unquestioned, as usual—by hundreds of newspapers read by millions of gullible subscribers.

The Census Bureau says that 36.5 million Americans—one in eight—are poor. But "if poverty means a lack of nutritious food, adequate warm housing, and clothing for a family, then very few of the people identified as living 'in poverty' would, in fact, be characterized as poor," says Heritage's Robert Rector. "The typical person defined as 'poor' by the Census has cable or satellite TV, air conditioning, a microwave, a DVD player or VCR, and two color TVs."

No doubt, poor people in a technologically advanced nation like the United States don't live as minimally as those in undeveloped states like Afghanistan. In Afghanistan, on the other hand, a middle-class American homeowner would be spectacularly wealthy. A man worth $500,000 could become a warlord. There are no Afghan billionaires. Poverty is relative.

Even the claim that gadget ownership is incompatible with true poverty doesn't hold up: Rector refers to "a DVD player or VCR." But VCRs are antiquated, a decade out of date. It's like saying that someone who owns "a computer or a typewriter" isn't poor.

"Poor Americans living in houses or apartments, on average, have more living space per person than does the average citizen living in European countries such as England, France and Germany," the Heritage study asserts. There's a footnote—but the source material doesn't include figures for per-capita housing density in Europe. (As far as I can tell, such data doesn't exist.) Even if it's true, though, it's a factoid without a point. Europe, urbanized for the past 2,000 years, has an overall higher population density than we do—yet enjoys the world's highest standard of living.

The more you think about Heritage's BS, the worse it gets.

"Three quarters of these 'poor'"—note the quotes—own a car," Rector continues. Are those cars in good working order, or up on blocks? He doesn't say—but there's a difference.

"When asked, [the typical 'poor person'] reports that his family was able to obtain medical care whenever needed during the past year," he continues. True—sorta. Uninsured people often rely on hospitals, enduring long waits and high fees for substandard care rendered by harried emergency room staffers. Hospitals are legally obligated to treat them—but it's hardly a workable system. Many poor (and middle class) people put off going to the doctor as long as possible.

Then there's this sparkling gem of compassion: "Some poor families," admits Rector, "do experience a temporary food shortage, a condition touted as 'hunger' by activists. But even this condition is relatively rare: 89 percent of the poor report their families always have 'enough' food to eat, while only 2 percent say they 'often' do not have enough to eat."

"Temporary food shortage." If that isn't hunger, what is? "Very simply," says the U.S. Department of Agriculture, "hunger is defined as the uneasy or painful sensation caused by lack of food. When we talk about hunger in America, we refer to the ability of people to obtain sufficient food for their household. Some people may find themselves skipping meals or cutting back on the quality or quantity of food they purchase at the stores. This recurring and involuntary lack of access to food can lead to malnutrition over time."

Economists consider a society's infant mortality rate to be the most reliable indicator of its citizens' quality of life, and the prevalence of poverty. The United States has the second-worst infant mortality rate in the industrialized world—behind Latvia, tied with Hungary, Malta, Poland and Slovakia. Western Europe—France, Germany, etc.—kicks our national ass. The poverty rate for American children under 18 was 21.9 percent in 2006, the highest in the developed world.

Upwardly mobile Americans can escape poverty numerous ways—by, for example, earning a college scholarship. But we also suffer a lot of downward mobility, typically after losing a job. "While in any given year, 12 to 15 percent of the population is poor," says Michael Zweig, author of What's Class Got To Do With It: American Society in the 21st Century, "over a 10-year period, 40 percent experience poverty in at least one year because most poor people cycle in and out of poverty."

Even the Heritage Foundation concedes that some poverty exists in this best of all possible laissez-faire worlds. But, they argue in the finest tradition of blame-the-victim, it's "self-inflicted, a result of poor decisions and self-defeating behaviors."

Poor Americans, they say, have a "weak work ethic." The evidence: "The typical poor family with children is supported by only 800 hours of work during a year—16 hours per week. "If work in each family were raised to 2,000 hours per year—the equivalent of one adult working 40 hours per week throughout the year—nearly 75 percent of poor children would be lifted out of official poverty." This assumes that poor parents live in a magical job market where they can work as many hours as they please—a condition that would only exist with zero percent unemployment.

"Father absence is another major cause of child poverty," says Heritage's poverty study. True. "Nearly two-thirds of poor children reside in single-parent homes; each year, an additional 1.3 million children are born out of wedlock." Again true. The conservative solution: "If poor mothers married the fathers of their children, almost three-quarters would immediately be lifted out of poverty." Stupid welfare queens! Why do they refuse to marry the fathers of their children?

A cat or dog understands hunger. The fact that we have to have this discussion demonstrates the success of the right in redefining basic terms—and the failure of the press to question it.
 

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Hmmmmm.............. I think, insults aside, this makes my point....

SEPTEMBER 12, 2007
Kill The Poor
Phony poverty study fools lazy journalists
BY TED RALL

NEW YORK—They're baaack! Once again, the Heritage Foundation is mangling statistics to whitewash the ugly facts of life in Republican-run America.

Last time, in 2005, they attacked the image of U.S. soldiers as cannon fodder being exploited for Halliburton. Au contraire, claimed the conservative propaganda mill. American troops, they said, were actually "wealthier, more educated and more rural than the average" citizen. Of course, this wasn't true. Military personnel are poorer and less educated than the average Joe, I found, when I took a closer look. Heritage's soldier study used junk logic and apples-to-oranges statistics to promote the GOP's wars against Iraq and Afghanistan. And it worked.

The lazy men who run the big newspapers and TV networks, deluded into believing there are two sides to every story, dutifully repeated Heritage's lies. They never questioned a word. More soldiers died. The Heritage story made us feel less guilty about it.

Now Heritage is telling us that there are no poor people—very few, anyway, and then only for short periods of time—in the United States. The truth is that capitalism is failing millions of Americans. The less we think about the problem, the less we think it is a problem, the worse it will become.

The pseudoacademic demagogues of the right want us to distrust our own eyes. Panhandlers? "Homeless by choice" urban campers, Ronald Reagan, patron saint of modern Republicanism, called them. Single mothers? He said they were "welfare queens." Americans who live in the sprawling slums of the inner cities, the washed-up Walmarted Main Streets of the farm belt, and the scary barred-window suburbs of California and Georgia and Illinois? They're living large, says the Heritage Foundation in a "study" whose dubious findings have already been reprinted—completely unquestioned, as usual—by hundreds of newspapers read by millions of gullible subscribers.

The Census Bureau says that 36.5 million Americans—one in eight—are poor. But "if poverty means a lack of nutritious food, adequate warm housing, and clothing for a family, then very few of the people identified as living 'in poverty' would, in fact, be characterized as poor," says Heritage's Robert Rector. "The typical person defined as 'poor' by the Census has cable or satellite TV, air conditioning, a microwave, a DVD player or VCR, and two color TVs."

No doubt, poor people in a technologically advanced nation like the United States don't live as minimally as those in undeveloped states like Afghanistan. In Afghanistan, on the other hand, a middle-class American homeowner would be spectacularly wealthy. A man worth $500,000 could become a warlord. There are no Afghan billionaires. Poverty is relative.

Even the claim that gadget ownership is incompatible with true poverty doesn't hold up: Rector refers to "a DVD player or VCR." But VCRs are antiquated, a decade out of date. It's like saying that someone who owns "a computer or a typewriter" isn't poor.

"Poor Americans living in houses or apartments, on average, have more living space per person than does the average citizen living in European countries such as England, France and Germany," the Heritage study asserts. There's a footnote—but the source material doesn't include figures for per-capita housing density in Europe. (As far as I can tell, such data doesn't exist.) Even if it's true, though, it's a factoid without a point. Europe, urbanized for the past 2,000 years, has an overall higher population density than we do—yet enjoys the world's highest standard of living.

The more you think about Heritage's BS, the worse it gets.

"Three quarters of these 'poor'"—note the quotes—own a car," Rector continues. Are those cars in good working order, or up on blocks? He doesn't say—but there's a difference.

"When asked, [the typical 'poor person'] reports that his family was able to obtain medical care whenever needed during the past year," he continues. True—sorta. Uninsured people often rely on hospitals, enduring long waits and high fees for substandard care rendered by harried emergency room staffers. Hospitals are legally obligated to treat them—but it's hardly a workable system. Many poor (and middle class) people put off going to the doctor as long as possible.

Then there's this sparkling gem of compassion: "Some poor families," admits Rector, "do experience a temporary food shortage, a condition touted as 'hunger' by activists. But even this condition is relatively rare: 89 percent of the poor report their families always have 'enough' food to eat, while only 2 percent say they 'often' do not have enough to eat."

"Temporary food shortage." If that isn't hunger, what is? "Very simply," says the U.S. Department of Agriculture, "hunger is defined as the uneasy or painful sensation caused by lack of food. When we talk about hunger in America, we refer to the ability of people to obtain sufficient food for their household. Some people may find themselves skipping meals or cutting back on the quality or quantity of food they purchase at the stores. This recurring and involuntary lack of access to food can lead to malnutrition over time."

Economists consider a society's infant mortality rate to be the most reliable indicator of its citizens' quality of life, and the prevalence of poverty. The United States has the second-worst infant mortality rate in the industrialized world—behind Latvia, tied with Hungary, Malta, Poland and Slovakia. Western Europe—France, Germany, etc.—kicks our national ass. The poverty rate for American children under 18 was 21.9 percent in 2006, the highest in the developed world.

Upwardly mobile Americans can escape poverty numerous ways—by, for example, earning a college scholarship. But we also suffer a lot of downward mobility, typically after losing a job. "While in any given year, 12 to 15 percent of the population is poor," says Michael Zweig, author of What's Class Got To Do With It: American Society in the 21st Century, "over a 10-year period, 40 percent experience poverty in at least one year because most poor people cycle in and out of poverty."

Even the Heritage Foundation concedes that some poverty exists in this best of all possible laissez-faire worlds. But, they argue in the finest tradition of blame-the-victim, it's "self-inflicted, a result of poor decisions and self-defeating behaviors."

Poor Americans, they say, have a "weak work ethic." The evidence: "The typical poor family with children is supported by only 800 hours of work during a year—16 hours per week. "If work in each family were raised to 2,000 hours per year—the equivalent of one adult working 40 hours per week throughout the year—nearly 75 percent of poor children would be lifted out of official poverty." This assumes that poor parents live in a magical job market where they can work as many hours as they please—a condition that would only exist with zero percent unemployment.

"Father absence is another major cause of child poverty," says Heritage's poverty study. True. "Nearly two-thirds of poor children reside in single-parent homes; each year, an additional 1.3 million children are born out of wedlock." Again true. The conservative solution: "If poor mothers married the fathers of their children, almost three-quarters would immediately be lifted out of poverty." Stupid welfare queens! Why do they refuse to marry the fathers of their children?

A cat or dog understands hunger. The fact that we have to have this discussion demonstrates the success of the right in redefining basic terms—and the failure of the press to question it.
 

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In the NOW last week the Ontario coalition against poverty were talking about the plight of the poor families in Ontario and how people will be surprised that so many struggle to put food on the table.
 

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Just listen to bot/lange who will tell you that reality is just a myth in Canada as they claim it is a myth in the USA....:rolleyes:
 

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Again a few narrowminded Americans are discussing the issue of poverty, without ever even having witnessed it.
My suugestion get a passport leave the country and see the world.....may suggest places like India, Africa and parts of South America for a good look at poverty...maybe then this article will make sense to you

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg1713.cfm

as i stated before it is amusing listening to some Americans and Canadians cry about poverty, while having the highest obesity rate in the world.

The concept of poverty is a complete abstract to most of you.It makes for good soundbites and makes you look compassionate and caring while sucking down a 1000 calorie bag of Doritos....a value most people in real poor countires have to live on for week.

Hey whatever get's you thrugh the day....and BTW what have you done lately to help?
 

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frasier said:
Again a few narrowminded Americans are discussing the issue of poverty, without ever even having witnessed it.
My suugestion get a passport leave the country and see the world.....may suggest places like India, Africa and parts of South America for a good look at poverty...maybe then this article will make sense to you

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg1713.cfm

as i stated before it is amusing listening to some Americans and Canadians cry about poverty, while having the highest obesity rate in the world.

The concept of poverty is a complete abstract to most of you.It makes for good soundbites and makes you look compassionate and caring while sucking down a 1000 calorie bag of Doritos....a value most people in real poor countires have to live on for week.

Hey whatever get's you thrugh the day....and BTW what have you done lately to help?
Help with what? I thought you were saying there isn't any problem.
 

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Help with what? I thought you were saying there isn't any problem.
Please point out where I said that there is no problem.......however in comparisson to the rest of the wolrd they are minute.
 

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Please point out where I said that there is no problem.......however in comparisson to the rest of the wolrd they are minute.
Must have been when you said 99% of Americans have no idea what hunger and being poor is. Not sure where you pulled that figure out from, but that would seem to exclude most of those the government says are in that position currently, as well as all those that have been at some point in their life and managed to escape. You describe it as minute, which tells me you think it is negligible.
 

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Asterix said:
Must have been when you said 99% of Americans have no idea what hunger and being poor is. Not sure where you pulled that figure out from, but that would seem to exclude most of those the government says are in that position currently, as well as all those that have been at some point in their life and managed to escape. You describe it as minute, which tells me you think it is negligible.
You'll notice you don't read about "hunger" in America because there really isn't any, you read about food security. The point of the Heritage article was that 70% of adults that have experiences some food insecurity are overweight.

There is, of course, poverty, between 10 - 15 % of the population is below the poverty line at any given time regardless of government program or health of the economy.

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You'll notice you don't read about "hunger" in America because there really isn't any, you read about food security. The point of the Heritage article was that 70% of adults that have experiences some food insecurity are overweight.

OTB
A good interview on NPR discussing what the term food security means and dosen't mean, and how that relates to hunger and poverty.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5021812
 

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TOVisitor said:
We know how some folks here love numbers. Here's some numbers from the Feds,



I am sure that BOT's response will be, "I got mine, so who cares?"

But it's a great economy. Right BOT? Let's send all of those single moms and children out to earn a living. Let's cancel those child labor laws and get the kiddies on an assembly line instead of a bread line. Little bastards on the public dole.
If you gave a crap you would live in the US..................you live away from to US, in Canada, so it is clear you do not care.
 

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onthebottom said:
You'll notice you don't read about "hunger" in America because there really isn't any,

There is, of course, poverty, between 10 - 15 % of the population is below the poverty line at any given time regardless of government program or health of the economy.

OTB
What an outrageous piece of BS -- no hunger in America.

Do you care to cite anything that backs that up?

Yes, one reads about food insecurity -- but what do you think that is?

NPR said:
the government also classifies 38 million people as "food insecure," which means at some point in the previous year they had difficulty finding the money to buy food.
Well if they had difficulty finding money to buy food, what did they eat and what were they as a result? H-U-N-G-R-Y.
 

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What an outrageous piece of BS -- no hunger in America.

Do you care to cite anything that backs that up?

Sure, the complete lack of any hunger claims by these reports, the most severe situation they can find is food insecurity among the overweight.

TOVisitor said:
Yes, one reads about food insecurity -- but what do you think that is?



Well if they had difficulty finding money to buy food, what did they eat and what were they as a result? H-U-N-G-R-Y.
No

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