A debate about decriminalizing..
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It's long been an example that the tax pros use: Revenue canada just wants their money. They do get returns from SPs, pimps and Madames, and swear that info does not get passed on.TheNiteHwk said:
The flip side being the famous Al Capone example; when they couldn't nail him for other crimes, they got him for cheating the taxman.
From a guy who's deep in it at this very instant.
There are all kinds of creative ways to name your company and or business discription where RC may or may not figure out the exact nature of your business.
I think that you would see a price decrease. The increase due to more taxes being filed would be more than offset by several factors:
- It would be harder for landlords to charge them more, cops to shake them down, customers to not pay and dare them to do something, etc.
- I think that fear of being busted and outed keeps a lot of women from entering the business, or staying in it, or it keeps them lower-profile and less active (I know many women who are examples of this in different ways). If it were legal I think that the supply would increase a fair amount, and the demand somewhat, but not as much. I don't know too many guys who do not hobby because they are afraid to be arrested, I think that women are much more afraid of that. More supply per demand means lower prices.
- It would be harder for landlords to charge them more, cops to shake them down, customers to not pay and dare them to do something, etc.
- I think that fear of being busted and outed keeps a lot of women from entering the business, or staying in it, or it keeps them lower-profile and less active (I know many women who are examples of this in different ways). If it were legal I think that the supply would increase a fair amount, and the demand somewhat, but not as much. I don't know too many guys who do not hobby because they are afraid to be arrested, I think that women are much more afraid of that. More supply per demand means lower prices.
Paying taxes and decriminalization are not related at all. Some advocates actually use that as an argument for decriminalization, ie more taxes. If you strip away all of their arguments the main point of decriminalization verses legalization is that they want the ability to be able to work as escorts without being licensed. Not being licensed means it is easier to work without paying taxes. In a licensed environment one is more inclined to file tax returns.Sabuk said:
The rates at the brothels in Australia and New Zealand, even the more upscale looking ones, appear to be in line with rates at incalls here. I think I've read that outcall rates may be higher.
http://australianescorts.com/board/
http://australianescorts.com/board/
I don't think you can compare "rates" because brothel employees and escorts are two different classes of service providers.
Tax has nothing to do with it. There's absolutely nothing to prevent any independent or agency escort from setting up a business account and getting on a schedule with Revenue Canada right now. Revenue Canada doesn't care *how* you make the money -- they only care that you report the money you make. You can be a hit man or a crack dealer. They don't care. They deal with tax code -- not criminal code. But do some escorts fail to report income? Sure. So do some child care providers, lawn maintenance persons, ppiano teachers, contractors, etc. Separate issue.
Nor does legitimacy have anything to do with it. The theory that more women would go into this business if it were more legitimate and less stimgatized doesn't really hold water. The fact is, there are already a lot of women in this business who can't handle the demands of the business and of providing quality service. Just because a woman can go out on a date with a guy doesn't qualify her to be a service provider. SPs are (or are supposed to be) professionals. There are certain standards that must be met for success.
Brothel employees will probably wind up being comparable in price to massage parlour attendants. I doubt it will affect escort prices.
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Tax has nothing to do with it. There's absolutely nothing to prevent any independent or agency escort from setting up a business account and getting on a schedule with Revenue Canada right now. Revenue Canada doesn't care *how* you make the money -- they only care that you report the money you make. You can be a hit man or a crack dealer. They don't care. They deal with tax code -- not criminal code. But do some escorts fail to report income? Sure. So do some child care providers, lawn maintenance persons, ppiano teachers, contractors, etc. Separate issue.
Nor does legitimacy have anything to do with it. The theory that more women would go into this business if it were more legitimate and less stimgatized doesn't really hold water. The fact is, there are already a lot of women in this business who can't handle the demands of the business and of providing quality service. Just because a woman can go out on a date with a guy doesn't qualify her to be a service provider. SPs are (or are supposed to be) professionals. There are certain standards that must be met for success.
Brothel employees will probably wind up being comparable in price to massage parlour attendants. I doubt it will affect escort prices.
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We can and will compare rates because we are the customers. We care about about how much we pay and what service we get, not what name or "class" you call yourself.
There's something that may not get said much regarding why some guys prefer massage parlours and would prefer brothels. The way the escort business, whether through agencies or independents, works in this country is that the customers are compelled to commit to spending their money before even seeing what the escort looks like - not a good thing from the customer's point of view. And unlike escorts, MPs and brothels don't need appointments that are often difficult to get in the first place, and can easily get messed up by delays, people having their phones shut off, misunderstood or incorrect directions, etc.
There's something that may not get said much regarding why some guys prefer massage parlours and would prefer brothels. The way the escort business, whether through agencies or independents, works in this country is that the customers are compelled to commit to spending their money before even seeing what the escort looks like - not a good thing from the customer's point of view. And unlike escorts, MPs and brothels don't need appointments that are often difficult to get in the first place, and can easily get messed up by delays, people having their phones shut off, misunderstood or incorrect directions, etc.
Taxes and decriminalisation/legalisation are completely seperate issues. While more taxes may be collected, the sex industry will remain a cash industry. Legal or not, clients will continue to pay the dancers in bank notes for reasons of privacy.
In order to guage how much taxes will be collected, one only has to look to two other cash businesses which are completely legal - restaurants and construction. Many of the cash sales in both these sectors never get reported. There is no logical reason to believe that sex workers will suddenly start reporting more cash receipts than they already do.
In order to guage how much taxes will be collected, one only has to look to two other cash businesses which are completely legal - restaurants and construction. Many of the cash sales in both these sectors never get reported. There is no logical reason to believe that sex workers will suddenly start reporting more cash receipts than they already do.
