A Missisaugua pool incident
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Miss your your neo-Nazi meeting tonight?
I definitely agree that the mother is way out of bounds for playing the religion card on this. And you better believe their could have been a shit show if the daughter had drowned. That being said, there is always a better way to deal with people instead of 'you have to leave.'
You have your head up your butt = uninformed. At my daughter's camp section this week a Muslim crew arrived with their kid, all decked out in full regalia. I counted 8 of them in total. Normally, half the day is tennis and the balance advanced swimming. I stick around for most of it when time permits maybe two times per week. It's a gas to watch my kid learning, trying hard, making friends, being competitive, teamwork etc. So yesterday when this "crew" arrived you would have thought the Pope himself had helicoptered in. Immediately all of the staff (mostly teens) went into "accommodation mode" and really had no idea how to deal with the "men in the pool" nonsense or Fathers sitting on the bench watching their own kid swimming. The entire atmosphere went from your typical Canadian camp day experience to a nervous tension as clearly the camp counsellors really didn't know how to react to the requests that were being made. And you know what? They shouldn't need to. As for me, I went from having a great day to wondering if I was going to get the "sorry Sir you have to leave the pool area nonsense". So I guess in your world it's OK if I get "you have to leave" to accommodate these nuts? Get a grip.
Sure there is. As long as too people are being reasonable. But if your beliefs prevent you from having interactions with other people in public areas then stay home.
Does this camp have rolling enrollment? I thought it was tough to get a camp spot in Toronto. Maybe your "story" happened.
I think a middle ground should be taken.
For example, you apologize and say that this is a public pool/camp and unfortunately we are not ready to accommodate you. Here is a refund. In the future we will be sure to clearly state our pool set up so that you can decide if this is suitable for you.
I don't think it is necessary to bend over backwards like the "story" but part of the over reaction is on the staff.
At not point did the camp/pool state they offered gender based swim times so it's not a problem to tell a "crew" that it is not something they provide.
Alternativly if you want to accommodate boys tennis in morning/girls swimming in morning then switch in the afternoon.
Personally, I would go the apology route and remind them that at no point was such service guaranteed.
I don't understand why people have to have such a binary world view.
At work I cannot prepare for every situation, but I can certainly talk my way out of most problems by finding a compromise or mutually agreeable solution.
She wasn't asked to leave to accommodate the white people in the pool. She was asked to leave because she allegedly would not follow the safety rules of the pool. We weren't there to witness what happened so who knows what really transpired. Probably a bit of both of the woman playing the race card and the lifeguards being too heavy handed with people.
I agree in principal to the actions of the supervisors, but did she really need to be totally removed from the pool? I'm sure you would be pissed too if you were asked to leave an establishment even if you weren't in the wrong.
Before we get our pitchforks and tell other people to fuck off back to Pakistan or wherever, we might want to look at things from their perspective. The world is quite different when you're on the receiving end of insults, ridicule and who knows what else from people that tell you to fit in or go back home. Interestingly enough, some smart-ass I think British guy told me to do just that a few months ago even though I was born here FFS.
We've had some incidents in recent years at our local pool that I am aware of (maybe more that I' not aware of).
1) A milf wore a swimsuit that was transparent when wet. She was asked to wear a more modest swimsuit.
2) Parents of an 8 year old girl were told to dress her in a full swimsuit or a two piece with top and bottom (not just the bottom).
3) Mother told no breast feeding screaming baby in the pool area.
No Muslims involved. No cries of racism.
1) A milf wore a swimsuit that was transparent when wet. She was asked to wear a more modest swimsuit.
2) Parents of an 8 year old girl were told to dress her in a full swimsuit or a two piece with top and bottom (not just the bottom).
3) Mother told no breast feeding screaming baby in the pool area.
No Muslims involved. No cries of racism.
I read one article so it is just one side of the story.
I think the lifeguard crossed a line with "laughing and mocking" if that was true.
The girl was in the shallow end, but a person must be within arms reach.
Could the lifeguard have not said "okay then the girl needs to stay near the side of the pool within your arms' reach?"
Would that have been such an affront to Canadian Culture?
What does the pool do if a disabled parent brings a child to the pool?
Could the other parents in the pool be asked to keep an eye on the girl? If I am at a public pool or beach I often keep an eye on small children. I know they are not mine but out of a sense of community I will watch from a distance. For example, I was at a lake.... grandpa had a few kids on a paddle board, one grand child was left behind and kept walking deeper into the water towards grandpa. I kept an eye on the kid till grandpa circled back and picked the kid up. But that little guy was already chest deep. My point is that it would not bother me to be watching my kid plus someone else's. I mean don't we all do it at large family pool parties?
I think the lifeguard crossed a line with "laughing and mocking" if that was true.
The girl was in the shallow end, but a person must be within arms reach.
Could the lifeguard have not said "okay then the girl needs to stay near the side of the pool within your arms' reach?"
Would that have been such an affront to Canadian Culture?
What does the pool do if a disabled parent brings a child to the pool?
Could the other parents in the pool be asked to keep an eye on the girl? If I am at a public pool or beach I often keep an eye on small children. I know they are not mine but out of a sense of community I will watch from a distance. For example, I was at a lake.... grandpa had a few kids on a paddle board, one grand child was left behind and kept walking deeper into the water towards grandpa. I kept an eye on the kid till grandpa circled back and picked the kid up. But that little guy was already chest deep. My point is that it would not bother me to be watching my kid plus someone else's. I mean don't we all do it at large family pool parties?
Let's keep it in perspective though. This was ONE woman making an accusation of racism.
There have been breast feeding incidents that led to groups of breast feeding moms to show up and protest. It happens.
Sometimes people will go online with the whole body shaming or slut shaming thing when it comes to revealing swimsuits.
But you are right no cries of racism.
We don't know the nature of the laughing and mocking that alledgely happened. But what if the lifeguard was copying the woman's accent?
The pool was following rules. Those in themselves are not racist. But the way the lifeguard behaved could be. WE weren't there so can't know how the lifeguard acted.
Not sure it is a good idea in 2016 for an adult male to be watching children not their own.
I don't seek middle ground with insane people and that would seem to include you. Get lost.
You mean insane woman. This story is about one woman's issue.
The middle ground I suggested was not unreasonable. With that attitude clearly you just want to be pissed off.
But in the end nobody told you to leave right? It was all your own right wing, the sky is falling, where's my gun perception? Or did somebody actually make you leave the area? because from what you posted, nothing of the sort happened.
Not mention in his "story" he goes on to explain how many times he goes and why. To me that sounds a bit odd. Kinda like trying to add weight to his "story." But he also doesn't mention if he was privy to any conversations between the "crew" and the staff. The change in atmosphere was something he perceived.
