A TRUE Friendship or NOT?

Cockzilla

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Can someone please give me some real advice here and how to handle this situation?

I’m probably going to get flamed for this being a newbie and all but I couldn’t bring myself to ask others what I should do! As it stands, I have known a certain person for about 6 years and throughout this period of time, he hasn’t really held down a full time job and when he did, it would be temporary and then he would collect UI. However, over the past few years that trend has continued and it got so bad that he has collected welfare for the past few years. I have always treated him to dinner, even purchased groceries for him, and basically have paid for EVERYTHING even on vacation where he said he has had no money! Well, something happened the past month that really upset me and talk about trust not being there any longer! I made some money with an offshore sportsbook and collect money via western union. I had this same person collect the money for me in Toronto because I live outside Toronto and it’s easier that way. It turns out that this same person I’ve been so kind to who I thought was my friend who admittedly says he has taken advantage of my kindness, decided to take the money I had coming from Western Union and paid the rent he owed his landlord. He apologized to me thinking I wouldn’t mind since I had money and that he was looking out for #1. He said he was trying to get odd jobs, and his welfare had run out. He gave me a check that his mother sent him via mail that I could have and he would pay me and didn’t think I would be upset over this. I was very upset to say the least and I continue to pay for this guy when we go out to sports bars or what have you. He even felt so guilty that he gave me his banking information and said check it out and clean out whatever you want! I decided not to because I felt sorry for him but something happened the past few days. Rent was coming due for him the beginning of the month (his rent is $600) and he said welfare is what he is getting again and they actually gave him a little bit more and said he had about a few hundred left over and if I wanted $100 out of the $260 he still owed me I could have that. I figured he had nothing left if he gave me that so I declined. This is the problem and obviously he’s unaware but I decided to go into his bank account from the information he gave me and not only did his welfare increase from $600 a month but it said he received $1296 from welfare and still had $700 left over after he paid his rent due which is $600! He lied about what welfare gave him and either his landlord lied to Welfare saying he was paying a lot more so that he has money left over the month or Welfare is being very generous this time! He moved from one location to a downtown location to live so I don’t know if that makes a difference in Toronto or not. What makes me more upset is the fact in his account details he apparently has money to spend at local establishments for drinks, even the wine rack and to buy groceries and smokes and NEVER has offered even to cover the tip when I take him out feeling sorry for him! What should I do, say that I went into the account and that he lied about the money he is getting now and even when he had little to spend, he still managed to buy himself booze or smokes but not offer to pay even for a coffee with me! The bottom line is he lied about what Welfare gave him this time and just last night he went out gave me the sob story that he can’t afford to go out but his account shows he spent $30 last night at a bar! Should I confront him about what is going on now and ask why he has NEVER offered to pay for anything? I really confused and is this really a friendship or anyone else ever go through this?
 

MuffDiver

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That is not a friend.

I had one like that. We grew up together but as an adult he developed a drinking problem and could not hold a job. It was hard to do, but I cut him off and have not seen him in a year.

I accepted his one invite to watch a sporting event at a pub and added he better bring his wallet with him. We never hooked up.

People will use you as long as you allow them to. Why is your friend's problem yours to solve. Once people stop giving him a free ride, maybe he'll make some effort to solve his problems.

I am assuming this "friend" is of sound mind and body?
 

RamsesIII

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Ditch the Bitch!

I hate when people take advantage of friendships or relationships.
 

Papi Chulo

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That is not a friend.. he is a parasite


btw.. I am a little short on cash until payday.. can I be your new friend?
 

BottomsUp

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If you have to ask, you're as loony as he is.
 

massman

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Friends dont steal from friends. I fyou think your frindship is worth salvaging, then tell him how you feel and on welfare or not, its time for him to pay his own way. If he can't afford to go out to the sports bar, then he stays home, its called being a grownup.
 

Cockzilla

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Thank you for the quick reply guys!

My problem is I OFFER to buy either it was for dinner, concert, at a Sports bar or even if I was going on vacation and knowing he had no money, he was good company. I guess I feel sorry for him.

The problem I have is what happened recently with the Western Union situation where he took full advantage of money right in front of him that was mine and paid what he had to in rent! He did have a $300 check for me to cash he got from his mom and paid me $140 the week after. The worst part is, he knows I have a big heart and thought it wouldn't matter and didn't think it was stealing from anyone.

The main problem I have now is the fact he got over $1296 from Welfare when he said he got enough to cover the $600 rent this month with $200 left over. He lied about that and I don't know much about Welfare but if they gave him $1296 this month from what is banking account details said they deposited and is that to cover two months rent from welfare or is that the amount he is getting each month, $1296? This is very important to know before I confront him about having all this money in his bank account. Anyone?

Then the best part like I mentioned about him not even picking up the tip at dinner or sports bar and then goes out last night and spends $30 at a bar!

Thanks.
 

xarir

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You keep using the term "confront him". Clearly then you're expecting something in terms of a response from him. You need to ask yourself what you expect out of this relationship.

Is he supporting you financially? Clearly not.
Is he supporting you emotionally? Clearly not - else you wouldn't be posting about the issues here right now.
Is he cleaning your place?
Is he mowing your lawn / clearing your snow?
Is he getting you unlimited access to free and wild sex?

From my (limited) perspective, it doesn't sound like you're getting much from this so called friendship. Ergo, confronting him won't yield any meaningful results. Suppose you do confront him with proof incontrovertible about the $1296 in his bank account. He's going to mumble "Well yeah I had the money in the bank account but then [insert excuse here]". What have you gained?

I honestly think the best thing you can do is just walk away without another word.

You can do better than this guy for your friend / companion.
 

ShawnBoy

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I don't think it matters how much he's getting in Welfare... the issue is that he's taking advantage of your generosity, and lying to you repeatedly. He may be a fun person to hang around with, and you may enjoy the feeling it gives you to help him out (that's not a bad thing, we all like to give when we can), but that doesn't make HIM a friend.

As far as I see it, it's really quite simple. He takes advantage of your generosity, he stole from you (regardless of whether he had some money to repay you quickly.. that was only because he HAD to repay you.. if you'd said, "No, it's ok" he would have kept it), and he abused your trust.

That's not a friend.
 

Guy7

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In this cruel world in the name of friendship & love how people use each other which is very sad and painful. Over here in North America the back stabbing is #1 played by people, who back stabs their own dear friends and make them un-happy, and once their motive is over then they keep you hanging as if u are their partsites, which was not the case in Europe where i stayed for over 2-decades of my life, but here people have no heart or moral left, they have just become machines with dual identities, that they themselves have forgotten who they are and what is their original identity
The true and genuine friends are the only victims in such a situation! Because always remember that one way traffice does not always work in your favour, if it is two ways then its smooth or else for one party the life becomes miserable, i hope my dearest friend can also understand my delima, i am in the same boat my with a friend who is also careless and not so sincere in her feelings, as people with dual identities its very difficult for them to blance their personal lives from their so-called glamourous and adult industry life.
 

Cockzilla

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Some great advice and I thank all of you!

It's tough because I've known this guy for like 6 years and we've been great friends! Besides the manner in which I TREAT for everything, he is probably one of the most intelligent people I know! It's my fault for being the way I am for so long!

This is going to sound like a Dear Abby thing but after he took money from me via the Western Union thing as I explained in the opening of this thread, I did email him and questioned his friendship about it. This was his reply, can anyone explain this?

I should've posted these two emails before anything to get a true answer and help from all of you! Thanks again.

Yes, indeed, I was at a bar and didn't feel the vibe except for the 20 texts you sent me. If I had any idea this would become so much a problem I should have bitten the bullet and borrowed the money from my father. I already told you what it meant to me that my father didn't know I was short on rent, but I also had no idea that me taking advantage of the situation was going to be as bad. Yes, I drank tonight, mind you, it was on my friend tonight but not the point. I told you I would pay you back and despite what you said I will. I would never let that come in the way of our friendship, even if I took advantage and decided wrongly to use more money than what we agreed to. I am in a desperate situation where I need groceries etc, and yes, I felt I needed drinks too,a disease I have which pretty much explains why I have no savings. I willingly allow you to check my bank account if you think I'm still getting welfare. The account is ########## you'll see I never got any money and you can see where I spent every cent. Feel free to sweep the account, my password is #####, take all the money I have, you are due that at least. I'll get more next Thursday after the week I worked here, and that should take care of the rest of the 300. Again, I am very sorry I made you feel like I was taking advantage, and in a way I was. I don;t know how to differentiate between money I have and money owed to me, I just see that I have money coming to me and don't care. I had no idea you needed the money that badly, if you had told me I would have just asked my Dad and sucked it up, there was no problem there really. I guess it is because I think of you as a guy that has a lot of money and it won't affect you. That's my fault for taking that assumption. I understand if you don't want to talk to me again but I guarantee you will get every cent that I owe you. I just might have to ask for next Thursday at midnight when the money from this week comes in. I think that illl be enough to cover the 300. Again, I could not have made rent without you and I could never thank you enough but obviously I over-stepped this time; it won;t happen again. I will do everything in my power to make rent aside from the work I just did.You have my account and password, you are welcome to take everything in my account!

Then he followed up with:

I can only explain it in the following. I don't like not having money and I had this job for a week and saw that I;d have the money to pay you back right away. Again, I'm sorry if I took advantage. I am in a desperate situation. I don't have money, I don't eat and I don't want to say anything about that obviously, it;s embarrassing. Why do you think every time we go out I always say I am starved, it;s because i never have money to eat. No excuse for what I did, but I figured, I;d pay you back within a week so I thought "oh he won't care". I was looking out for #1. I gave you my bank info because I trust you and I said you can sweep it if you need to. I should have just insisted on giving you the 150 on Monday night, I was worried that would be a problem. Had I given you that then I wouldn;t have been tempted to spend more this week. Being totally honest here. I have taken advantage of your kindness yes, but in no way was i ever thinking of not paying you back right away. I figured I;d give you the money within one month provided I have a job. That is high hopes for me. Still, I did and stand by the fact you have my written permission to sweep my bank account, you have my name and password. I will deal with the fallout from that. Don't let this ruin a good friendship, I never intended to screw you out of your money, I am not like that, sometimes I just see things too far in the future. You are welcome to take back the money I owe ya though, after all it is yours.
 

Papi Chulo

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wow.. posting his emails.. I guess you are not much of a friend either

...but I still need to borrow $120
 

Cockzilla

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Papi Chulo said:
wow.. posting his emails.. I guess you are not much of a friend either

...but I still need to borrow $120
Just to prove my point because some of what I originally posted may have gotten misconstrued and a direct email from him (no identity of course) just so others with realistic comments can comment!

This just in: According to his bank account info he gave me and after telling me he's broke and never pays a dime when we go out has money to buy booze tonight!

2007-05-05 - POS Purchase
#11 WINE RACK TORON $11.09
 

red

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tell him the friendship has sailed.












































then beat the shit out of him
 
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