Allah Weeps. "What have you done to Islam?"

[rogerstaubach]

The Muslim reaction to the infamous Muhammed cartoons should be a wake-up call to all Muslims and to the rest of the world as to just how much their religion has been perverted by radical Muslim clerics, Imams and those who support them. The publishing of these cartoons provided a catalyst to display the depths of the hi-jacking of this religion by radicals to rationalize and excuse RIFT.

The Muslim reaction to the cartoons should be shocking and appalling to the average citizen of the West and to all others who believe that RIFT is a not a threat. The Muslim reaction to the cartoons, is not shocking to those who do realize this threat, but sadly only confirms what is reality. That Islam has been perverted and hi-jacked to excuse, rationalize and promote RIFT.

It is not surprising that the Muslim RAGE, and VEHEMENCE of that rage expresses itself through violence. What else is to be expected when radical clerics, Imams rationalize, excuse, promote, incite and exhort violence to their legions in the name of Allah? The Muslim reaction to the cartoons emphasize the depths of that rage. Rage and violence as a response to cartoons. Makes you shake your head in disbelief.

In the name of Islam, thus begat:

Sept 11 - 3000 innocent civilians murdered
Madrid - 200 innocent civilians murdered
Russia - 1000's of innocent civilians murdered
Bali, Amman, Algeria, London, and a thousand other murderous atrocities committed under the banner of "Allah Akbar".

For far too long, for far too many murderous atrocities, for far too many years of turning a blind eye, for far too many years of excusing, rationalize and apologizing for the perverting and hi-jacking of Islam which is then used as "The Cloak of Allah, Islam and Muhammed" to justify their murderous atrocities in the name of Islam. For far too long that this has been happening, and these cartoons and the Muslim reaction to them highlights the depths of the pervertion and hi-jacking of Islam.

This pervertion and hi-jacking of their religion should be an embarrassment, and a shameful disgrace to all Muslims. Allah would find this subterfuge blasphemy!

Allah weeps.

 

[LancsLad]

Future

Seems it's the year 2155 and a little boy is in the Smithsonian with his Dad looking at the exhibits. After a long time they come to some historical display showing a scene from WW1 with TE Lawrance. The young ad asks his Dad what this is about. Luckily he was a history major and tells his son that during WW1, Lawrance was a rather odd British Army officer that rallied the Arabs to fight against the Turks. His son listens but is still confused. Dad he says, whats an arab.

 

[rama putri]

The Muslim reaction to the infamous Muhammed cartoons should be a wake-up call to all Muslims and to the rest of the world as to just how much their religion has been perverted by radical Muslim clerics, Imams and those who support them.

I'd give it up. Ordinary 'moderate' Muslims are silent on this issue because they agree with the violence, deep down inside. Forensic accounting will tell you that it's ordinary middle class Muslims from the West and Saudi Arabia that have supported AQ through bogus charities and cash donations at mosques throughout the world. Like blacks denying their culture of young male gangster violence, Muslims are denying they are creating a culture of reactionary extremeism. Look at all the money, power and publicity they've been getting. They'd never get this much if they were being civil.

 

[rogerstaubach]

Ordinary 'moderate' Muslims are silent on this issue because they agree with the violence, deep down inside.

You know what? That has been the vast majority of my experience in dealing with Muslims in Toronto area.

In speaking with them about 9/11 and terrorism the vast majority were eerily silent, but when pressed they expressed feelings of "justification" for 9/11 and other terrorist attacks that were based upon their perceptions and beliefs that eerily seemed based on what radical Muslims were stating.

The "moderate" Muslims as you described, through my own interpersonal experiences with them in the Toronto area are in reality "closet radicals".

No wonder this "culture" of RIFT is so difficult to dismantle, when you have "moderate" Muslims who deep down inside agree with it.

 

[benito]

Now they are burning the Norwegian and Danish embassys in Syria. They probably could not have picked two more innocuous contries in the world to screw with. It will reach the point when there is no sympathy whatever for their cause, and it won't be too soon.

 

[rogerstaubach]

Now they are burning the Norwegian and Danish embassys in Syria. They probably could not have picked two more innocuous contries in the world to screw with. It will reach the point when there is no sympathy whatever for their cause, and it won't be too soon.

They will also help their "public relations" efforts once they locate and raze to the ground the Slovenian and Burkino Faso embassies.

 

[maxweber]

oh, joy! oh, rapture!

I'd give it up. Ordinary 'moderate' Muslims are silent on this issue because they agree with the violence, deep down inside.

An what, pray tell, and rounded to the nearest seventy-fifth of a motherfuck, is your expertise on "Ordinary 'moderate' muslims"? A lifetime subscription to Masturbator's Times? A Rush Limbaugh t-shirt? Membership in some vile Fundamentalist church?

MW

 

[LancsLad]

Weber, you are as clever and as much a master of the written word as TOV. Are you sure you're not related. Try to be a liitle less profane, although if you can't use the majority of your vocabulary you won't have much to say. Bingo

 

[ruck]

I find this topic a bit offensive.
Yes it's disheartening to see such over-reaction to a cartoon.
However, you can't honestly sit here and say that the majority of "moderate" muslims are silently in support of the violence. It is an assumption and a gross one at that.
Your interaction with a few muslims does not speak volumes about the culture and religion as a whole.
Yes the name of Allah, the Muslim religion, the realm of islam all have been perverted to suit the needs of the leaders to justify a terrorist warfront. That doesn't make it right to assume that those who are not directly in contact or openly support the violence are somehow "closet radicals."
Quite contrary to your own claims of "moderate muslims" holding "closet radical" views, I too know many muslims. I worked with a pakistani muslim for 2 years, side by side. We spoke at great lengths about dogma. He the muslim religion and myself the agnostic view of the supernatural.
We were looking at the same tv when the news of the 911 attacks were being aired live. We were both in tears. The tragedy, as we both agreed, was only that; a tragedy. Extreme trajedy that was played out by politics.
In any case, my friend and all of his mosque members were vehemently against the radical ideals of islamic violence. They explained that the khoran was a book of peace. How to live in this world in harmony. How to live a religious life. Yes it's true that I disagree with many aspects of the religion but I don't see it as a violent one. You can count all the number of people who were killed in the name of Islam and that would be a shadow to how many were killed in the name of Christianity.
It's a crying shame that people distort a written word into acts of violence. However, to me, it is equally shameful to pigeon-hole people into sects because of the actions of some of the members of their community.

 

[Ol' Sodomy Sam]

You think the Christian God is any better pleased?

Things would be a little better (in my neck of the woods anyway) if there was a little more Honour thy Father and Mother and Do Not Covet thy Neighbour's Ass, or his Wife's Ass, for that matter. All anybody cares about is money, and so if you want to set up a computer maintenance scheme, advertising house money-laundering shop, or obfuscating profit repoting business, go ahead. Laws are written around liability and cost.

Islamic extremism is abhorrent, but only from the point of view that life is of paramount value. If all of the Christian's God's commandments are of equal worth, why the pervasiveness of theft, and the universal condemation of murder?

I realize, if you are not of Christian persuasion, this may not apply. But, the laws of this land and at least some of the value system derives from Christian values. A little more basic decency wouldn't hurt. So, maybe they've gone too far, but we no longer go far enough.

 

[arclighter]

An what, pray tell, and rounded to the nearest seventy-fifth of a motherfuck, is your expertise on "Ordinary 'moderate' muslims"? A lifetime subscription to Masturbator's Times? A Rush Limbaugh t-shirt? Membership in some vile Fundamentalist church?

MW

Apolofanity?

 

[iluvquarks]

I can't stand organized religion at all and radicalism of any kind is a form of brainwashing IMO. I also do NOT believe in censorship but do believe in responsibility. What pisses me off is the press running this sh*t should have known that this was going to happen. They didn't NEED to do this to make their point. It's as stupid as a Muslim paper in India caricaturing Hindu gods or a gay paper caricaturing Jesus in the Bible belt of America pre-1940s. Completely irresponsible! When you know printing something is going to cause all sorts of violence, unless the reasoning is morally sound (e.g. arguments against slavery during the civil war era), you just don't do it. This didn't NEED to happen!!!

 

[arclighter]

I can't stand organized religion at all and radicalism of any kind is a form of brainwashing IMO. I also do NOT believe in censorship but do believe in responsibility. What pisses me off is the press running this sh*t should have known that this was going to happen. They didn't NEED to do this to make their point. It's as stupid as a Muslim paper in India caricaturing Hindu gods or a gay paper caricaturing Jesus in the Bible belt of America pre-1940s. Completely irresponsible! When you know printing something is going to cause all sorts of violence, unless the reasoning is morally sound (e.g. arguments against slavery during the civil war era), you just don't do it. This didn't NEED to happen!!!

Agreed. Our wonderful press is fighting for the release of more Abu Ghraib pictures. Apparently there is nothing new in the pictures, just more of the same. It's as if our press wants the US to be portrayed in the worst possible light. But that can't be true...

 

[alphauniform]

....very few have seen the "cartoons" Here for your viewing pleasure......

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004413.htm

......and here a view from the Lebanon Star.......

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=21654

 

[A-ROD]

The Muslim reaction to the infamous Muhammed cartoons should be a wake-up call to all Muslims and to the rest of the world as to just how much their religion has been perverted by radical Muslim clerics, Imams and those who support them.
Allah weeps.

Under the Allah 5......... BINGO!

 

[rama putri]

An what, pray tell, and rounded to the nearest seventy-fifth of a motherfuck, is your expertise on "Ordinary 'moderate' muslims"?

For all you know I could be one of them.

 

[arclighter]

Which would you prefer? A press that would knowingly sit on the pictures for fear it may be embarassing to an administration? Or a press that is free to print/broadcast what it sees fit?

Is embarassing an administration worth setting the Islamic world on fire with anti-American hatred? The guilty parties have already been prosecuted, and the pictures have already been viewed by all interested parties. The only reason to release them is in fact to embarrass the GWBA.

Look at what happened when a reporter lied about a Koran being flushed down the toilet. Riots erupted around the world, and people died.

 

[rogerstaubach]

For all you know I could be one of them.

"Invasion of the RIFT Body-Snatchers"?

This would get all the radical Muslims frothing in murderous delight.

 

[rama putri]

I find this topic a bit offensive.

So what?

Yes it's disheartening to see such over-reaction to a cartoon.

It's more than disheartening. It shows a pattern of behaviour that for decades have been passed over as radical. Fact is, silence is tacit agreement. Sidelining it to radicalism only sidesteps the issue.

However, you can't honestly sit here and say that the majority of "moderate" muslims are silently in support of the violence.

I did.

It is an assumption and a gross one at that.

Really? I'll tell you what. You seem to be a liberal type. Probably have some Muslim friends. Really get to know them. Talk politics with them, but pretend to hate Bush and America. Wet the appetite. See what your friends parents say. Let me say in advance, "I told you so."

Your interaction with a few muslims does not speak volumes about the culture and religion as a whole.

Did I say a few? How do you know what my interactions are?

Yes the name of Allah, the Muslim religion, the realm of islam all have been perverted to suit the needs of the leaders to justify a terrorist warfront. That doesn't make it right to assume that those who are not directly in contact or openly support the violence are somehow "closet radicals."

Sure. Let's look at it this way. You're a smart guy. Let's say you're a white nazi supporter deep down inside, but you're not a 'radical'. You've got a decent career, good friends, even non-white ones. So are you going to a public rally that promotes white power? In your mind you think you would. People who have extreme views do not have to necessarily promote it in public. How many TERBies would go on a public march to openly support escorting? Forget about TERBies, how many of your friends and relatives have 'radical' views? Be honest here. How public are they?

Quite contrary to your own claims of "moderate muslims" holding "closet radical" views, I too know many muslims.

Good for you. That proves all my opinions and experiences wrong.

I worked with a pakistani muslim for 2 years, side by side. We spoke at great lengths about dogma. He the muslim religion and myself the agnostic view of the supernatural. We were looking at the same tv when the news of the 911 attacks were being aired live. We were both in tears. The tragedy, as we both agreed, was only that; a tragedy. Extreme trajedy that was played out by politics.

Again, so what?

In any case, my friend and all of his mosque members were vehemently against the radical ideals of islamic violence. They explained that the khoran was a book of peace. How to live in this world in harmony. How to live a religious life. Yes it's true that I disagree with many aspects of the religion but I don't see it as a violent one.

I never said anything about the religion itself.

You can count all the number of people who were killed in the name of Islam and that would be a shadow to how many were killed in the name of Christianity.

Oh, I see. Now we're getting into a justification. More Christians have killed more Muslims in the history of life, so it's kind of OK and what's all the fuss about. I see how the logic works. Are you for or against the tacit approval argument? Ordinary Muslims would never have this thought, right?

It's a crying shame that people distort a written word into acts of violence. However, to me, it is equally shameful to pigeon-hole people into sects because of the actions of some of the members of their community.

Wrong. That's the problem. It's not equally a shame. The first is worst. The second allows responsibility and accountability to stop the first from occurring. The second is missing becuse the majority is tacitly approving the first. Like you just did above. Maybe you are one of them too?

 

[rogerstaubach]

Is embarassing an administration worth setting the Islamic world on fire with anti-American hatred? The guilty parties have already been prosecuted, and the pictures have already been viewed by all interested parties. The only reason to release them is in fact to embarrass the GWBA.

Look at what happened when a reporter lied about a Koran being flushed down the toilet. Riots erupted around the world, and people died.

Look what happened when an infidel accidently breathed on a Koran. Muslim riots erupted all around the world.

Look what happened when an infidel looked sideways at a Muslim. Muslim riots erupted all around the world.

Look what happened when beheadings in the name of Allah were shown all around the world. Muslims went........tick tock, tick tock, tick tick.....zzzzzzzzz.