With Horcoff out the rest of the season, the Oilers may fall to the bottom 5 in the league... The Ducks own the Edmonton's 1st round pick!!!
Uh, Ohh!
Uh, Ohh!
Anaheim might score in the Stamkos draft!
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In 1964, recently named Montreal Canadiens GM Sam Pollock made this trade with the Boston Bruins:
Guy Allen and Paul Reid to Boston for Alex Campbell and the rights to Boston's third round pick in the 1964 draft, #14 overall.
It was seven years before that pick played in the NHL, playing six games at the end of the 1970-71 season. His name? Ken Dryden.
Guy Allen and Paul Reid to Boston for Alex Campbell and the rights to Boston's third round pick in the 1964 draft, #14 overall.
It was seven years before that pick played in the NHL, playing six games at the end of the 1970-71 season. His name? Ken Dryden.
The kicker to the story is that the Kings were doing worse than the Seals and were probably going to get the 1st overall pick. So Sam sent some reinforcements to LA to improve them (I'm thinking Ralph Backstrom or maybe Rogie Vachon). Sure enough LA ended out ahead of the Seals and Montreal got the perjurer, Guy Lafleur with Oakland's first pick.guyroch said:
Actually, it was Boston who selected Dryden in the 1964 draft. After he refused to report and decided to attend Cornell, Bruins traded him for the named players. Unless, that is what you meant to say in your post - sorry if it was.bobistheowl said:
When a team drafts a player, they retain his rights. If they trade him before signing him, it's called trading the rights to him. Dryden had already been selected by Boston before the trade was conmumated. That's the difference between trading a draft pick, trading rights to a player, and trading a player. Trading the pick gives the receiving team the option of whom they wish to select. Trading a player includes the terms of a contract already in force. There was a reserve clause at that time, (ie: no free agency), and the team did not have to sign him or lose him, as is the current NHL rule.blueline said:
and don't forget... Rob Blake will probably join them or San Jose in 1 weeks time!
with that lineup, Anaheim doesn't need a goalie to win another cup!
with that lineup, Anaheim doesn't need a goalie to win another cup!
I still don't know why you didn't understand my first post. Boston could not have traded his rights unless they had first drafted him, or acquired his rights from another team, before trading his rights to Montreal. It's not what I meant to say. It's what I did say, and what you quoted me as having said. The third round pick, #14 overall, and Ken Dryden, were the same person. I just mentioned the rights to the pick and Dryden's name in different sentences, for dramatic effect, like guyroach did with Guy LaFleur in the post following.blueline said:
I'm not dissing you blueline, I just can't figure out why you had been confused.
And no, I'm not a lawyer, it just seemed like you were unclear on the difference between players, picks, and rights to players. Maybe other people reading this thread were unaware of the differences as well.
This never happens in baseball, because drafted players can't be traded until they have played pro ball for at least one year, (any level of pro ball, from single A up). It rarely happens in football, because picks are often traded, or teams trade up in the draft if they want someone, but they almost always select the player they want themselves Player for player trades in the NFL are rare these days, but players for picks trades are common.
It happens frequently in basketball, particularly with players playing in European leagues, or formerly, with players from the Soviet Union. Players drafted in the first round of the NBA draft are entitled to a two year guaranteed contract, with the team holding an option for three additional years. Players drafted in the second round are not entitled to a guaranteed contract, but the team that drafts them retains their rights. If they want to play in the NBA, they have to negotiate with the team that holds their rights, even if they don't attempt to play in the NBA for a number of years.
Recently, the LA Lakers trade with the Memphis Grizzlies saw Pau Gasol go the the Lakers, and the rights to his brother Marc were part of the package that went to Memphis. Marc is playing in Spain, but he has to play for Memphis if he wants to play in the NBA, unless Memphis flips his rights to another team first.
The major advantage of acquiring the rights to a player, rather than the player itself, is that the team gains an asset of value, but does not have to account for this value under the salary cap or roster limits. NBA teams have 15 man rosters of players under contract. They do not have any farm system players, but they can own the rights to an unlimited number of players who are not yet under contract. If Marc Gasol wants to come to the NBA, he can fill the spot of someone on an expiring contract, and probably at a lesser salary.
