And people wonder why Wynne won

[basketcase]

The Provincial tories are a mess.

Tory MPP Rick Nicholls says he doesn’t believe in evolution

When Progressive Conservative MPP Rick Nicholls shouted in the legislature that it’s “not a bad idea” to stop teaching evolution in schools, he wasn’t kidding.

...

But Nicholls stood by his line when asked about it Wednesday.

“For myself, I don’t believe in evolution,” Nicholls told reporters.

http://www.thestar.com/news/queensp...olls-says-he-doesnt-believe-in-evolution.html

 

[nottyboi]

Ontario Tea Party?

 

[onthebottom]

Having been on TERB for years I don't wonder why Wynne won.

 

[Piratos]

Having been on TERB for years I don't wonder why Wynne won.

Classic!

 

[rhuarc29]

Most Tories aren't like that moron. So the real question is...how did that idiot get into a position of power within our government?

 

[elmo]

Apparently now if you disagree with her you are a homophobe...this woman is an idiot and so are the people who elected her.

 

[Aardvark154]

One member of the Caucus who believes this and it means that "Tories in Ontario are a mess" and it is why the PC's didn't win the election. :frusty:

 

[oldjones]

One member of the Caucus who believes this and it means that "Tories in Ontario are a mess" and it is why the PC's didn't win the election. :frusty:

What these neanderthals believe about evolution—genetic or social—is their business, but the homophobe and the anti-evolutionist went out of their way to make their views public, as if they thought they'd be shared by their audience.

So far the voiced reactions have proven them wrong, and those who perhaps agree seem to be keeping the silence that wisdom should have advised in the first place. Oddly, the silence is loudest on the Tory side of the Leg. Where's the groundswell of expressed PC support for these guys? Or the criticism? Do the PC's always have to wait for a Head Honcho to tell them what they think?

Returning to the thread topic, Wynne won because dogma-driven simpletons—whether right or left—like these two will always be a minority. Like her, the majority of intelligent people understand that managing life together is far more complicated and requires a lot more tolerance and give and take than any ideology will ever spell out in easy slogans. So we'll always push for centrist policies.

Just read the Sex Ed thread for ample evidence of the Smug boasting we 'don't need no eddication…'. As if. Like everything's all right now?

 

[Aardvark154]

. Where's the groundswell of expressed PC support for these guys? Or the criticism? Do the PC's always have to wait for a Head Honcho to tell them what they think?

If you can't say something nice don't say anything at all. Generally ALL legislative political parties follow this rule.

 

[shai]

Please understand Wynne did not win but rather the Tories lost.

Any party that thinks Hudak was a leader in any way, shape or form deserves to lose. But then, they stopped being anything like the party of Bill Davis and tried being republicans instead.

 

[basketcase]

One member of the Caucus who believes this and it means that "Tories in Ontario are a mess" and it is why the PC's didn't win the election. :frusty:

One thing Harper has right at least is to muzzle the fringe in his party.

And no, one crazy anti-science nut is not the cause, it is a symptom. The fact that they even ran Hudak in the last election shows that they are a mess.

 

[Polaris]

One thing Harper has right at least is to muzzle the fringe in his party.

And no, one crazy anti-science nut is not the cause, it is a symptom. The fact that they even ran Hudak in the last election shows that they are a mess.

What was so bad about Hudak?

This is a serious question.

He bland, he was a quant.

I don't know how anyone can get excited either way for or against.

He had his ideas and campaigned on them. Whereas Wynne, just like now, had no ideas, campaigned against old ghosts in Harris, and compared Hudak to Harris.

One of the biggest criticism against Hudak was that he was boring. Wynne, boring as hell too. Look at all the Toronto mayor, total bores, except two.

So what was so bad about Hudak?

Or was the past Ontario election a total ideological battle, which the Tories played too nice?

:Eek:

 

[oldjones]

Please understand Wynne did not win but rather the Tories lost.

Any party that thinks Hudak was a leader in any way, shape or form deserves to lose. But then, they stopped being anything like the party of Bill Davis and tried being republicans instead.

Quite right, and Horwath also lost. Both party leaders—they don't ask for a show of hands on such stuff—decided an election would do their party more good than continuing to prop up Wynne's minority.

Given the freshness of all McG's Misdeeds all either really had to promise was honesty and clear heads overseeing a competent, minimally ambitious government. Instead we got the sort of right and left-wing ideology that Ontarians have never ever bought into. With those extremes written off, the Liberals were really the only choice that the the centrist majority had.

 

[shai]

What was so bad about Hudak?

This is a serious question.

He bland, he was a quant.

He was a poor communicator, and that goes a long way to being a poor leader. It destroyed Joe Clark as well, whom I've met and admired

He was out of touch with the population and instead played to his base, which means he was only a leader of a few and never aspired to be a leader of the many.

He never seemed particularly bright whether he was or not being immaterial to the public

He seemed insensitive

As in the USA, a small well-organized cadre of people have taken control of the right-wing parties at the grass roots level. They've used everyone else's laziness to their advantage and now control who gets put up for election and who runs the party organizations. Harper maintains control by being a dictator and having a strong hold on the party's cash and by being an incrementalist. But he's also twice as bright as your average tory now a days.

Any old fashioned PC from the late 20th century would have buried the Liberals.

 

[red]

Please understand Wynne did not win but rather the Tories lost.

Any party that thinks Hudak was a leader in any way, shape or form deserves to lose. But then, they stopped being anything like the party of Bill Davis and tried being republicans instead.

That's right