Another soldier killed

spankingman

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A 21 year old member of the R22R Van Doo's was killed in Afghanistan last night bringing the total of Canadian dead to 130. GOD BLESS HIM

Rest in peace brave warrior,Rest in Peace.
 

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I've noticed since the beginning of the afghan conflict that it seems every face coming home in a body bag is a white one.

Does anyone who may be more familiar with the Canadian military than I am know if the government has a program in place to encourage new Canadians to join the armed forces so the faces in those body bags better reflect Canadian ethnic and racial diversity?
 

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I will be on a Scarborough bridge when they bring him home.


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I've noticed since the beginning of the afghan conflict that it seems every face coming home in a body bag is a white one.

Does anyone who may be more familiar with the Canadian military than I am know if the government has a program in place to encourage new Canadians to join the armed forces so the faces in those body bags better reflect Canadian ethnic and racial diversity?
There is not a lot of ethnic diversity in the Canadian army, at least not as much as they would like. Here is a page showing all of the soldiers KIA in Afghanistan since 2002:

http://news.webshots.com/album/559272434sXxidd

There is a program in place to recruit more minorities:

Over time the composition of the CF will inevitably change as it continues to recruit more women and members from visible minority groups. In this respect, it will become more reflective of the changing nature of Canadian society as a whole. Such transitions are never easy.
The number of women in the Canadian Forces has increased from a total ceiling of 1,500 in 1971 to approximately 6,800 today; representing more than 10.8% of the Regular Force. Women represent approximately 20% of the Primary Reserve strength. Today women can serve in all occupations of the CF except for submarine duty.
The Forces have also recently engaged in an active recruiting campaign intended to attract more women into the combat arms. The army has requested that 25% of those recruited to combat arms be women, in order to obtain a critical mass for training and employment in various units. Women and men undergo the same integrated training, must meet the same academic standards and are eligible for the same career opportunities.


http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/scondva-cpdnac/rd/sco-psa/report-rapport-06-eng.asp

If you go through the site you will see a few minorities that have been killed in Afghanistan.
 

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I was boarding a plane in Montreal earlier today and I watched from the Maple Leaf lounge as 2 flag drapped coffins were being removed from a plane.

It hits you how removed we are from such realities.

Fernie
 
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This is really sad news to here that another soldier has been killed any life that is taken to soon or for the wrong reasons its tragic. There are hundreds of locals that are being killed every day that don't even want to be part of the war and we never here about it! The news only tells us about the Canadians and the Americans that are dying! In reality there are hundreds dying every day there just not from North America its almost as if the media doesn't consider them to be equal to us.

What's happening over there is tragic and sad. I am sure myself and everyone hopes it all ends soon.

XO GINA XO
Exactly...nobody ever hears about the hundreds of others who get killed. They are getting killed daily, and in much greater quantities, and most of them are not doing any of the fighting. A bomb here. An air strike there. Collateral damage its called. Imagine if you and the family go to the store to get a box of milk and you get all get killed. We wouldn't tolerate it here, but these things happen over there without any great concern.

It is sad that the soldiers are dying (its only a matter of time before the powers that be figure out that this is a really useless war with no clear victory) but many people are dying over there.
 

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This is really sad news to here that another soldier has been killed any life that is taken to soon or for the wrong reasons its tragic. There are hundreds of locals that are being killed every day that don't even want to be part of the war and we never here about it! The news only tells us about the Canadians and the Americans that are dying! In reality there are hundreds dying every day there just not from North America its almost as if the media doesn't consider them to be equal to us.
XO GINA XO
Of course, they are not equal to us, in terms of our interest in their lives and deaths. It is entirely normal that a country will be more interested in its own dead than in the dead of others. The Canadian media reports on dead Canadians. The British media reports on dead Brits. The Dutch media reports on dead Dutch. The death of one of our nationals touches Canadians, from his family, from his home town, from the city he lived in before he died. It is normal for the Canadian media to report on that which is of direct interest to Canadians. For the same reason, you always know when a Canadian dies in a plane crash or a ferry sinking, when hundreds of other foreign nationals died as well. We care more about our own than we do about others. Human nature.
 

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I've noticed since the beginning of the afghan conflict that it seems every face coming home in a body bag is a white one.

Does anyone who may be more familiar with the Canadian military than I am know if the government has a program in place to encourage new Canadians to join the armed forces so the faces in those body bags better reflect Canadian ethnic and racial diversity?
The CF has HUGE problems recruiting new immigrants. Established ethnic groups are somewhat represented in the CF (blacks, natives, greeks, italians etc) but new immigrants are a hard bunch to recruit. Why? Couple reasons. First, many come from countries where the military is feared or hated (because they are murderers). So, parents don't want their kids in the Army, they want them to be doctors.

Second, because many ethnic families have expectations for their kids - get a university education, get a good trade (ie. the Portugese threads of late) - the military is not seen as an acceptable job for little Enzo who should be laying bricks with his dad.

One of the biggest problems is the location of Canadian military bases - the middle of freaking nowhere (Petawawa, Shilo, Cold Lake, etc). Given that most ethnic enclaves are in the big cities of this country, it is hard for a young ethnic to take a job that will never let him raise his kids near mom and dad and the extended family.

The Reserve units in the big cities are a success story. As families get into the second and third and fourth generation of Canadianization, the kids become just like your kids, and join the Army for some adventure. The pull of the old country just isn't strong enough, after a couple generations, to keep them away from the fun of fixing airplanes (or flying them) or seeing the world from a ship, or jumping out of airplanes etc. So, you will see lots of diversity in the various militia units around Toronto.

But for the most part, with a few exceptions, yes its young white guys who are dying.
 

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I've noticed since the beginning of the afghan conflict that it seems every face coming home in a body bag is a white one.

Does anyone who may be more familiar with the Canadian military than I am know if the government has a program in place to encourage new Canadians to join the armed forces so the faces in those body bags better reflect Canadian ethnic and racial diversity?
Private Mark Graham from Hamilton born in Jamaica moved to Canada as a child represented Canada at the 1992 Olympics 4x100 was black.Recently a park was named after him here in Hamilton
 

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Gina, I am glad you are living in a happy place. I wish the world were as you described.

But it ain't.

Please remember that Canada is one of the good guys on this planet. We are there to help. We are there to protect Canada and Canadians, because in 2001, some very bad people did invade us. 2996 people died on that day including 24 Canadians. 130 Canadian soldiers and one Canadian diplomat have died trying to prevent another attack in North America.

God bless.
 

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If we started worrying about the world as a whole and every person as a living breathing soul maybe there wouldn't be so many wars and millions of people dying and for what for power? because of religion? because its been this way since the beginning of time? Every single breathing person is equal were all made up of the same material and were all here for a reason. If each country started reporting all the deaths as a whole and not just singling out there own loss maybe it will open some eyes ....

We are invading there home land not the other way around ... we are sending our troops over there and attacking and killing people and for what? for oil to find terrorist to make peace and order because of 9/11.... Did you ever think that maybe we are the terrorist! Were funding a war that is making no progress in the middle of a recession were killing our own people to help out in a war that isn't even ares to begin with. We are only seeing what the government wants us to see and they pay the media and other sponsors to do and say as they want. Its modern day genocide and were letting them get away with it just like hitler did many many years ago.

As I said before its disgusting that another soldier has died my heart goes out to there family ...

XO GINA XO
you are a good girl gina :)
 

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Gina, I am glad you are living in a happy place. I wish the world were as you described.

But it ain't.

Please remember that Canada is one of the good guys on this planet. We are there to help. We are there to protect Canada and Canadians, because in 2001, some very bad people did invade us. 2996 people died on that day including 24 Canadians. 130 Canadian soldiers and one Canadian diplomat have died trying to prevent another attack in North America.

God bless.
And the resulting revenge was above and way beyond necessary.
how many innocent people died in Afghanistan...and for some reason Iraq?
2996?
the only thing this prolong war is doing is breading more and more resentment toward the US...not only from those countries but all other countries not even involved because they see the ridiculousness and the ulterior nature of the intervention....and by consequence promote retaliation. It is a cycle.

Like every great nation in history the US will fall. Due their present and past actions that fall will either come quicker and/or will not be prevented/aided by others.
it is all a big tragedy really. very sad.

"can't we all just get along?" - rodney king (boy that quote never gets old...:) )
 

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I was in the military (not anymore) and I was in Afghanistan (among other places) as a Canadian soldier.
Canadians were once widely regarded as the "good guys" throughout the world, but that worldview of Canadians is changing rapidly, and the Afghan mission isn't helping anyone over there or over here. In my opinion, we went there for all the wrong reasons (and by we I mean NATO). The mission has been redefined numerous times since 2001 to sell to the Canadian public, but to the Afghanis we are still invaders & ergo targets.

I feel the loss of every Canadian soldier from this debacle as if it was my own brother, and I feel the pain the way most of you hopefully never will. I pray that our elected officials come to their collective senses and redeploy our troops in a manner that better serves the Canadian public and the Canadian military tradition.
 

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I was in the military (not anymore) and I was in Afghanistan (among other places) as a Canadian soldier.
Canadians were once widely regarded as the "good guys" throughout the world, but that worldview of Canadians is changing rapidly, and the Afghan mission isn't helping anyone over there or over here. In my opinion, we went there for all the wrong reasons (and by we I mean NATO). The mission has been redefined numerous times since 2001 to sell to the Canadian public, but to the Afghanis we are still invaders & ergo targets.

I feel the loss of every Canadian soldier from this debacle as if it was my own brother, and I feel the pain the way most of you hopefully never will. I pray that our elected officials come to their collective senses and redeploy our troops in a manner that better serves the Canadian public and the Canadian military tradition.
A ssome have said this war in Afghanistan is this generations Viet Nam.
 
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Gina, I am glad you are living in a happy place. I wish the world were as you described.

But it ain't.

Please remember that Canada is one of the good guys on this planet. We are there to help. We are there to protect Canada and Canadians, because in 2001, some very bad people did invade us. 2996 people died on that day including 24 Canadians. 130 Canadian soldiers and one Canadian diplomat have died trying to prevent another attack in North America.

God bless.

I don't remember Canada being invaded in 2001. We're in Afghanistan as a favor to the US because we wouldn't send troops to Iraq. How many Afghanis or Iraqis attacked On 9/11? Not very many, but the US wants to control the oil in the mideast. If the US was really concerned with doing the right thing, it would immediately close all American military facilities outside of it's borders. I'm also sure the US wouldn't be in Afghanistan if it wasn't full of natural resources and a conduit for a potential pipeline so that oil could be shipped to the West coast of the US.

Because of 2996 preventable deaths in NY, hundreds of thousands of deaths have occurred in Iraq.

BTW, is the world a safer place now?
 

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Guerilla warfare sucks. This will not end until every Taliban is dead I'm afraid but dont' think that's the solution either.

We must help Afghans defend themselves and to take control of their own society so that they can root out warlords or extremists on their own, IF they are willing to do that.

Thank you OP for reminding us of the important things in life.
Aha...there's the conundrum of this situation.
Todays "taliban" was the 1980's "mujahhadin", but since in the 80's they were fighting the Soviet invaders. they were the good guys in Western eyes. And the former queslings under the Soviet invasion? They've been renamed the "northern alliance" by the western media, and are the sworn enemies of the mujahhadin/taliban for siding with the Russians a generation ago, But since the "northern alliance" is the enemy of the Taliban (whom we consider evil), they (northern alliance) must be the good guys this time around. To further complicate matters, most of the "taliban/mujahhadin" are ethnic Pashtuns, who are largely autonomous and don't really follow the borders or rule of Afghanistan and/or Pakistan, as they were/are seeking a greater degree of self-rule since they get treated like SHIT by the current governments of both countries....Pashtuns at one time were the largest ethnic group in Afghanistan (may have changed as I don't really follow the events too closely anymore), yet were denied proportional representation in Afghan government affairs by the minority Tajiks, who ironically held many government positions since the late 1970's.....or roughly since shortly after the Soviet invasion. Oh yeah, "northern alliance" happened to be predominantlt Tajik.
Strangely enough, many Afghanis don't see the "taliban" as the terrorist organization that must be destroyed to bring peace to the region thet way we westerners do....probably because they don't get western newspapers, TV, radio, etc. (Interesting sidenote...a few days ago I heard a report that all reporting by Canadian journalists embedded with our troops in Afghanistan is vetted through the PMO....think about that!!). And lots of Afghans don't see Osama Bin Laden as the terrorist mastermind that we know him as. Remember those "mujahhadin" who fought the Soviets throughout the 1980's? Well, OBL took up the fight at the time and joined the "mujahhadin" and gained a LEGENDARY reputation of battlefield command. He would be the Afghan equivalent of US WW2 hero Audie Murphy, except greater. So does the typical Afghan see what we see....harboring the terrorist behind 9/11 or welcoming a family member back home with open arms?

Confused yet? Wait, there's more! One of the USA's main "allies" in the region is Pakistan. Nuclear armed, regional superpower, bitter enemy of India (6 or 7 wars since partition, I believe) and heavily, HEAVILY Muslim. Pakistani Muslims make most other Muslims look like us compared to the Amish, in that it is more than a religion and is really the way of life for them. And Pakistan shares a "border" if you want to call it that with Afghanistan, except that no Pakistani government or military officials dare set foot in the region because it is controlled the the Pashtun (the guys would like their own nation). Pakistan needs help controlling this mess, so why not help out the USA and maybe get some reciprocity back? Pakistan has been on the USA's payroll since day one of the Afghan "invasion/liberation/rebuilding", and would you like to know the value of the military support & intelligence & logistics that Pakistan has provided to its ally and benefector, the USA? Care to guess?
I would guess the value of Pakistan's aid to the USA in their adventure in Afghanistan to be 0......probably less than 0......but it's been pretty helpful to Pakistan having the USA and Nato's unwitting help.

Throw some Canadian soldiers into the mix now...what chance do the poor guys have? Canada had an excellent reputation for training, toughness, skills, leadership, morale, you name it and the Canadian military has consistantly ranked tops or near tops by other countries' military. But we Canadians are NOT cut out for the skullduggery & duplicity & machiavellian machinations that this mess is & will continue to be. We are too decent a people......... (except for my neighbour - I know it was you Larry, I know it was you!)
Let the Afghanis sort out their internal situation.....they did a pretty good job as a nation for awhile without outside interference.

Wow, are my fingers ever tired from all this typing!

One last thing...if anyone reads this and get the idea that Pakistan bad, pashtun good, Tajik bad, etc, etc. that's not what I intended.
 

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Please remember that Canada is one of the good guys on this planet. We are there to help. We are there to protect Canada and Canadians, because in 2001, some very bad people did invade us. 2996 people died on that day including 24 Canadians. 130 Canadian soldiers and one Canadian diplomat have died trying to prevent another attack in North America.

God bless.
Nobody invaded Canada. We seem to keep changing the rules of engagement, based on how we feel. If you look at Iraq, 1st it was WMD (of course, we forget who has the most WMD's around). Then that changed to regime change when we realized there were no WMD's. I don't know what it is now. And how many people died. In Afghanistan, as mentioned already, it was the previous liberal gov't that committed us. Now the war is going on, and we keep taking the same piece of land over and over again - no real progress. If anybody thinks that this war is really preventing another attack, then they need to think again. WWII lasted 6 years. WWI lasted 5 years or so. This war is going on and on with no end in sight, and no real point of victory. There needs to be some form of discussion or truce between the parties. The British and IRA after decades figured out that the nonsense could not go on forever. I am not an Afghan expert, but somebody will have to get together with the taliban and come up with some truce. Otherwise, when we leave, and the US leaves, then they will take over. I don't think this war will be 'won' militarily. You can drop a nuclear bomb if you want, but that would make us infinitely worse than them. Remember, there wasn't a problem before when these guys were in power and they were doing the same crap then or worse that they are doing now. Also, remember who provided them with arms and logistics to defeat the Soviets.

I remember an old Star Trek TNG episode, when some people from a planet killed the mate of a powerful alien. In response, the alien killed the ENTIRE race of people (billions). Should we kill ALL taliban - man, woman, child because of the acts of a bunch of madmen?
 
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