Best General in battle

habanabob

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I’m also looking at real poll something I’m interested in so here we go. Who was the greatest field general in US military history?

I say George Patton. Who do you think?. He was the most feared General to the Germans after he beat Rommel in Africa. He was also the first General to include an all black tank division in battle.

Look forward to seeing the responses and reasons.

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I like Patton, don't get me wrong. I just don't think he's the "best".

Hard to say who I would choose. General implies "Land". The US has had some amazing Admirals who basically wrote the book on amphibious land assault during the Pacific War.
 

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Rommel was beaten by Monty and the 8th. Patton was a lot of bluster, Montgomery was planning and execution.
 

habanabob

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Tick you said ' Hard to say who I would choose. General implies "Land". The US has had some amazing Admirals who basically wrote the book on amphibious land assault during the Pacific War. You are 100 % right sorry about that, Nemitz and Holsey (spelling) changed the war in the pacific, and Bull wasn’t even there after PH . Thanks for the over site Tick so yes land, air, and sea are all included.

supersonicboy. You said “Rommel was beaten by Monty and the 8th. Patton was a lot of bluster, Montgomery was planning and execution"

Yes and no. Monty never went in to a battle unless he had numbers tanks artillery greater than the enemy. Rommel new that was the only reason he was beaten by Monty and that given a second or third battle he would beat him as he always used the same tactics and Rommel would have destroyed him in another battle. Never for get the famous words of Patton “Rommel you magnificent son a bitch I read your book “. Monty commented on this said “ I didn’t know George could read or Rommel could write “ . The allies bowed down to Churchill and his want of Monty to be the English hero, not saying Monty wasn’t a great general, history tells us he was, but they moved him out after his battle with Rommel at EL Alamein because they new to use Monty to fight Rommel he would drain the supplies needed for the landing in Italy so he would have every thing he wanted, he wasn’t a team player, a great General yes.

monty69 you said " Both Montgomery and Patton were Prima Donnas who fuelled their egos on
the blood of the men they commanded. Both had some of the highest fatality
and casualty rates of WWII.

I'd have to state that I like Marshall for his compassion (The Marshal Plan
to re-build Europe ... also see Saving Private Ryan), Eisenhower for his
abilities to coordinate disparate Allies into a coordinated effort, and to
effectively plan the D-Day invasions with less than

Yes they had the highest rates in both but they were in the worst of it and that is a price of war, those men followed them unconditionally because they believed in them, when Patton turned his army around in the snow storm and moved them 100 miles back to the battle of the Bulge the battle where more Americans lost their lives than any other battle in the war and more many more would have died if Patton had not turned his army on no sleep quick march in snow and mud 100 miles in 24 hrs and then had them fight because soldier were trapped and going to be destroyed unless someone got there nose dirty , he was a fighting General and loved by his men , that is a great general, the one the troops will follow with out question.

Sorry Marshall and Ike were politicians not field Generals, and we also needed them for the piece once it came so yes your have a point but this is about the field battle.

As for Bradley. Omar Bradley "the Soldier's Soldier", for knowing just how to
Employ Prima Donnas like Montgomery and Patton (and employ them
he did - they were under his command).

He served under Patton until the Sicilian slapping incident. then he was promoted to be in charge and the first thing he did was give Patton and Army to command because he new after having been in the battles that it would take a blood and guts leader to fight this war as that’s what it was and he new more than anyone how much hell was a head. He was a great General and a great field General under Patton but a much better planner and he plan on having Patton lead and he did.

So thanks guys great incite, can wait to read more from you.

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If you truly look at history then the best had to be R. E. Lee as a stategic general with Jackson and Longstreet providing the winning tactics. Always outnumbered on the battlefield by 2 to 1 they invariably had more men at the point of attack and won many decisive battles. Truly three great geniuses.
 

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There are good and bad points to all commanders styles. Monty was the supreme land commander under Ike, also both the leading naval commander and Air Marshall were also British.
A lot may not have like Monty's style or personality but he got the job done. My father went ashore first wave Gold Beach, fortunately for me he lived, many didn't to be sure but the respect the common soldier had for Monty was a major factor an each mans moral and being. . My Dad was only a three striper but he told of the talks given by Montgomery and the others during the lead up. For the common soldier going ashore it was not a question of would they take the beaches and push inland, they had faith they would it was just the feeling that they may not be there at the end to see it. Dad always said the worst part for him was the water approach and leaving the landing craft into the water. He said the shells and bullets took second place to being on solid ground again. The original lead elements were on the boats from the eve 3/4 June as original start was supposed to be the 5th. Dad was no fan of officers in general but always spoke well of the way Montgomery seemed to inspire the men. Seems trite today to talk about things like that but thank God it meant something at the time.

So I went on a bit, I tend to get overly sentimental about this as far too many people today have no appreciation at all for what those men went thru. My service in the Canadian Army during the Cold War stare downs was nothing compared to that. We had casualties, more in training than anything else but after D-Day into Normandy the British had to create the Double Extreme casualty model to handle the kill rate at the riflemen level.

Montgomery was no butcher like Haig who had disregard for his mens life, the casualties were bound to be high. Going toe to toe with seasoned Germans well equiped was a damn site more difficult than any campaigns today.
 

habanabob

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Lee Longstreet Jackson

True. Too bad about Gettysburg I do agree they were special but blind stupid loyalty to Lee as a God, was what cost them, all of them, Picket was made to send his troops in to certain death, all because Lee was to loyal to his commanders and this cost him when it came to Jeb Steward and his advanced eyes , Jeb didn’t respect Lee enough to follow his orders then Granny forgave him a weakness that cost them every thing.

That and this battle was the end, and didn’t have to be. If you wanted to get in to the Civil War, Chamberlain from Maine should have been promoted to General after Gettysburg and his stand at Little Round Top. It was all politics at this time more so then ever. Great suggestion , they were special what would have happened if Lee had taken command of the North army’s as he was asked to in stead of the south the war would have been over in 6-12 months tops , yes he was special .
 

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well written , thank you its things like this where those who care get to hear from someone who had a father , mother involved and that’s how are history is passed ... Thank you.
 

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You're welcome, its the flip side of being older, the direct contact with those that were there. Personal stories from the war put a different perspective on things than cold facts in history books.
 

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Esco! said:
Ever heard of that great General named Esco?????

He kicked a lot of ass :cool:
No I'm certain the entry in his biography said "licked a lot of ass", . He is famous though for creating the Hindlick Manouvre, used by many a good soldier to catch the opposition off guard many times allowing for an unexpected yet welcome rear assault. Properly executed you can reach deep into the defenders territory before any strategic withdrawal is required. Often best when defender is not using any rearguard action.
I'll stop now.
 

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LancsLad said:
No I'm certain the entry in his biography said "licked a lot of ass", . He is famous though for creating the Hindlick Manouvre, used by many a good soldier to catch the opposition off guard many times allowing for an unexpected yet welcome rear assault. Properly executed you can reach deep into the defenders territory before any strategic withdrawal is required. Often best when defender is not using any rearguard action.
I'll stop now.
OOohh...thats cruel :D
 

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Esco!

Thanks so much for your snappy responce , guess thats all we have to thank you for since this was not meant to be a joke for somone like you to hi-jack and turn he death of so many great people in to a joke for you... how proud your family must be of you that you can make a joke out of those who died so you could do this ... congrates , now why not go make fun of some thing else , maybe you could go down on Nov 11 and trip a few vets that would be so funny . Why you feel the need to puff your self up at the expence of those who died for you .

So sad
 

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habanabob said:
Thanks so much for your snappy responce , guess thats all we have to thank you for since this was not meant to be a joke for somone like you to hi-jack and turn he death of so many great people in to a joke for you... how proud your family must be of you that you can make a joke out of those who died so you could do this ... congrates , now why not go make fun of some thing else , maybe you could go down on Nov 11 and trip a few vets that would be so funny . Why you feel the need to puff your self up at the expence of those who died for you .

So sad
Ha ha, you're serious arent ya????......:D
 
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