Biker vs. cyclist. Who's in the wrong??

[Phil C. McNasty]

This happened on the Danforth.
The way I see it the cyclist made a right turn without looking over.
But is the biker allowed to pass on the right side??
I'm not sure about this one

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1926884401637400634

 

[LTO_3]

Cyclist at fault for same reasons mentioned by r3dr3d.

LTO_3

 

[Jenesis]

If you look close, the cyclist is actually in the left lane. Not the right lane with the biker. He crosses the line when he attempts to make his turn.

I don’t know the road so I could be wrong but it looks like that to me.

 

[superstar_88]

He's an idiot who unfortunately happens to be a cyclist. He thinks he owns the road. If he's going to make a right turn he should be closer to the curb lane and signal. He could have easily cut off another cyclist and hurt someone else.
I ride a bike and have to stay clear of idiots like this. Plenty of cyclist don't move over to the right.

There are cyclists also who don't move over closer to the curb at a stop light. Mostly if not always food delivery.
Blocks me from trying to make a right turn. Inconsiderate idiots.

 

[JohnHenry]

Both of them. It was a personal injury accident and no one called the cops.

 

[bazokajoe]

Cyclist was in the wrong. You can see from the still picture the cyclist was in the left lane(see the white lines). Biker was in the right lane and the cyclist just cut over not looking.
Cyclist are self entitled pricks.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

If you look close, the cyclist is actually in the left lane. Not the right lane with the biker. He crosses the line when he attempts to make his turn.

I don’t know the road so I could be wrong but it looks like that to me

That's obvious from looking at the video.

But it doesn't answer the question as to who's at fault

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I think the bicyclist is at fault too, unless there's a law that says you can't pass on the right side in bicycle lanes (like the bicyclist in the video claims)

 

[JohnHenry]

When to Report an Accident

In Ontario, you are required to report an auto accident to the police if it meets certain criteria. Specifically, you must report the collision if:

• There are any injuries or fatalities.
• There is damage to any vehicle or property exceeding $2,000.
• The accident involves a criminal code offence such as impaired driving or leaving the scene of the accident.
• There is damage to any private, municipal or highway property.
• An uninsured driver is involved.
• A government vehicle is involved.
• A pedestrian or cyclist is involved.

If the accident is minor (with damage below $2,000 and no injuries), you do not need to call the police to the scene. Instead, you should visit the nearest collision reporting centre to file a report. Regardless of the severity, it is always a good idea to collect as much information as possible from the scene.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I think we need our resident expert to chime in here.....Frank, where are you?

He's going to tell us the road was slippery because of climate change

 

[Butler1000]

As someone who is an e bike commuter I can say that the cyclist was wrong. And I see this all the time, especially anytime you see the stripped down bike and the lycra gear. Just today I had one on my commute home come up behind me, and when I stopped at a stop sign complain. He was right on my ass. And as I was stopping at every stop sign he would catch up, RUN THE SIGN and try to pass me.

And fail. I always do proper signals, look behind me, and give way to cars because I don't want to get fucking killed for being "right".

 

[Mythos]

...pretend for a moment that this was 2 cars.
This would be at least an unsafe lane change charge, failing to signal and possibly dangerous driving charge.

 

[ramblin]

As a cyclist, I have to say the cyclist is at fault. He was in the outside lane, because he wanted to make a right without slowing down at the intersection and at fault for turning from the wrong lane. If the dude was a real cyclist he wouldn't have been wearing headphones.

 

[Jenesis]

That's obvious from looking at the video.

But it doesn't answer the question as to who's at fault

If it’s obvious, then it is obvious who is at fault if someone is turning right from the left lane. It doesn’t matter if someone is passing them on the right or not. They made an illegal turn. So the question was answered.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

AI says:

Google Search

www.google.ca

In Ontario, while generally passing on the right is allowed, it should only be done if it's safe and unobstructed. On a bicycle path or lane, a motorcyclist should typically pass on the left, leaving at least one meter of clearance, as this is the standard practice and ensures safety. However, if the bicycle lane is narrow or there are obstacles, a motorcycle might need to use any part of the lane for safety, including passing on the right.


Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• General Rule:
  Motorcyclists should pass on the left of slower vehicles like cyclists, leaving at least one meter of clearance.
  

• Safety First:
  Passing on the right should only be done when it's safe and unobstructed, and if the lane is too narrow to share.
  
  
• Bicycle Lane Specifics:
  Within a designated bicycle lane, it's generally safer and more common for a motorcyclist to pass on the left, giving the cyclist ample space.
  
  
• Obstacles:
  If a motorcycle encounters an obstacle in the bicycle lane, it may need to use any part of the lane, including the right side, to avoid the obstacle safely.
  
  
• Driver's Responsibility:
  Motorcyclists should always be aware of their surroundings and signal their intentions before passing, ensuring they don't impede the cyclist or create a hazard.
  
  
• Cyclist's Responsibility:
  Cyclists should stay to the right side of the bicycle lane when being passed and move to the right as much as possible to allow safe passing

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Phil you should long term date Grace. I'd consider paying you guys $100 a month for live feed of convo, but I also don't wanna have a stroke.

Nancy Grace??

 

[Butler1000]

AI says:

Google Search

www.google.ca

In Ontario, while generally passing on the right is allowed, it should only be done if it's safe and unobstructed. On a bicycle path or lane, a motorcyclist should typically pass on the left, leaving at least one meter of clearance, as this is the standard practice and ensures safety. However, if the bicycle lane is narrow or there are obstacles, a motorcycle might need to use any part of the lane for safety, including passing on the right.


Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• General Rule:
  Motorcyclists should pass on the left of slower vehicles like cyclists, leaving at least one meter of clearance.
• 
  
• Safety First:
  Passing on the right should only be done when it's safe and unobstructed, and if the lane is too narrow to share.
  
  
• 
  
• Bicycle Lane Specifics:
  Within a designated bicycle lane, it's generally safer and more common for a motorcyclist to pass on the left, giving the cyclist ample space.
  
  
• 
  
• Obstacles:
  If a motorcycle encounters an obstacle in the bicycle lane, it may need to use any part of the lane, including the right side, to avoid the obstacle safely.
  
  
• 
  
• Driver's Responsibility:
  Motorcyclists should always be aware of their surroundings and signal their intentions before passing, ensuring they don't impede the cyclist or create a hazard.
  
  
• 
  
• Cyclist's Responsibility:
  Cyclists should stay to the right side of the bicycle lane when being passed and move to the right as much as possible to allow safe passing

It's the final bullet point that matters.

 

[superstar_88]

So here's a question. You're driving on the DVP 3 lanes. Car in front of you is on the passing lane (left most lane). Both other lanes are open. Are you saying it's illegal to pass this dick head on the right?

Sometimes I see the left 2 lanes with traffic and the right most lane is wide open. Are you saying it's illegal to pass on the right most lane?

 

[massman]

So here's a question. You're driving on the DVP 3 lanes. Car in front of you is on the passing lane (left most lane). Both other lanes are open. Are you saying it's illegal to pass this dick head on the right?

Sometimes I see the left 2 lanes with traffic and the right most lane is wide open. Are you saying it's illegal to pass on the right most lane?

It’s not illegal to pass on the right. However it is often stupid and dangerous.

 

[massman]

As a cyclist I agree with the others. Cyclist was not in the curb lane, did not appear to signal and “right hooked” the motorcycle. Ironic since this is very frequently / routinely done to cyclists by motorists and is responsible for many injuries and even cyclist deaths.