Canada and terrorism

[Von Wigglestaff]

There is an, in today's Toronto Star, about a high ranking member of Somalia's defeat Islamic government possibly expiditing his Canadian citizenship and returning to Canada. Somalia was under the thumb of warlords for over a decade when an Islamic movement defeated them and placed the southern part of the country under strict Islamic law. They could have united the entire country but they chose to be bellicose instead. There was talk of creating an Islamic Republic of Greater Somalia with parts of Ethiopia and Kenya included.

In December an army from a rival secular government backed by Ethiopia took Mogadishu and routed the Islamists. Since then Osama bin Laden has called for jihad and the opening of a third front against the infidels. The Islamist in question, Abdullah Afrah, has dual citizenship and has hinted that a return to Canada is not out of the question - which begs the question; how many more Somali jihadist have the same option?

When it comes to dealing with terror Canada has a horrilbe record. During the 70's and 80's it gave safe haven and indirectly allowed to prosper, among others, Seikh and Tamil extremists. The results where the Air India tragedy/farce, thousands of people killed and the murder of two Indian Prime Ministers. Should we continuee our policy of being soft on terror by allowing Somali Jihadists with dual citizenship to come back to Canada? And if we do, are we not making a mockery of the sacrafices our young men and women are making in Afghanistan?

 

[LancsLad]

The libs need them all to come back so they can get the extra votes in the next election. Don't forget the old lib adage to the multicults: " We let you in, vote lib"

 

[Von Wigglestaff]

LancasterLass:

I'm attempting to initiate a serious discussion about our security, not Gumby Theatre.

 

[onthebottom]

Doesn't this belong in the What has Canada done thread?

OTB

 

[LancsLad]

LancasterLass:

I'm attempting to initiate a serious discussion about our security, not Gumby Theatre.

Name calling is so like a weber or tov, try something new.


Excuse me but that was a serious comment. The libs brought a lot of this crap upon us with their "block voting multicult tactics" remember Paul Martin at the tamil tigers fundraiser out courting votes.

It you get your panties in a knot so easily, then you are no fun to piss off, it would be too much like poking at fish in a barrel.

 

[Von Wigglestaff]

Name calling is so like a weber or tov, try something new.


Excuse me but that was a serious comment. The libs brought a lot of this crap upon us with their "block voting multicult tactics" remember Paul Martin at the tamil tigers fundraiser out courting votes.

It you get your panties in a knot so easily, then you are no fun to piss off, it would be too much like poking at fish in a barrel.

My apologies O Lance.

As for your accusation against Martin, a good finance minister does not make a good Prime Minister. Considering how the Libs courted the Seikh mafia (eye witness account) in 04, I can almost believe that Martin cluelessly cosied up to the Tigers. Perhaps the Wajit Khan fiasco has taught them a lesson.

And, please, easy with the English expressions. It took me too long to figure out what a toffee is.

 

[LancsLad]

Fair enough.


The Martin and tiger thing was at the big temple in Richmond hill many years back.


Also don't forget that Cretins leading west coast Sikh fixer was the one who scammed the GST of $27Million in fraudulent refunds. Funny the money could never be recovered, just like ADSCAM, the bastards got away with it.

 

[clubber]

Every government is corrupt. The only reasons the adscam was found out was because of the infighting. Martin should of done what Mulruiny and Harris did with scandels. Cover them up. One must wonder stealing 27 million but getting rid of the 40 billion dollar deficit and beging to pay down the debt. Look at the 'clean record' of Mulruiny. No scandals. (if you believe that I have some land to sell you around the airport) close to 500 billion dollars in debt. Harris, let us forget about the people he is responsible for killing, and the huge mess he made of Hydro. During good times he left us in deficit. The liberals are not great, but they are all we have.

As to terrorism in Canada, we did help the IRA, and as well as the Orange Men back in the day. Terrorists use any country they can including the USA. Remember the Iran Contra scandle.

 

[LancsLad]

Every government is corrupt. The only reasons the adscam was found out was because of the infighting. Martin should of done what Mulruiny and Harris did with scandels. Cover them up. One must wonder stealing 27 million but getting rid of the 40 billion dollar deficit and beging to pay down the debt. Look at the 'clean record' of Mulruiny. No scandals. (if you believe that I have some land to sell you around the airport) close to 500 billion dollars in debt. Harris, let us forget about the people he is responsible for killing, and the huge mess he made of Hydro. During good times he left us in deficit. The liberals are not great, but they are all we have.

As to terrorism in Canada, we did help the IRA, and as well as the Orange Men back in the day. Terrorists use any country they can including the USA. Remember the Iran Contra scandle.

So which lib MP did you "work" for.

Nice try but no one tops libs for being " entitled to their entitlements"

 

[clubber]

As a kid I worked for Otto Jelinek (a man I still hold in high regard) and the Conservatives. Then I met Brian Mulroney. I had never felt an instant dislike for any human before that. The man was dripping with slime. I have met Jean Chrétien and liked him, mind you I counted my fingers after I shook his hand. When I went to meet Harris in TO I was in a line as he walked down shaking hands. He started to me, our eyes met, bile came to my throat and he got very fightened. He stepped behind his security guys, and quickly went to the building he was going to. I have met many politicians, and personally know some local ones. Nobody struck me so badly as Harris or Mulroney. Harper just seeing him on TV makes me sick. Yet I hold some of the older Progressive Conservatives in higher regard. Joe Clark, Eric Nielson, and many others. I have worked for the Conservative party, and the NDP party. I have yet to work for the liberal party but if I have time this next election I may. I wish for the days of the Progressive Conservatives before Mulroney. I hate the new Regressive Conservatives. Yet even they can do stuff right sometimes. I just heard they have officially oppossed the plan of Pakistan to mine their borders. I think they have all of Canadas support on this. I just hope MacKay is going to be as vocal on this as Mulroney was on apartheid.

Why I favour the liberals is after years and years of Mulroney promising us he would get rid of the deficit all the while increasing it, the Liberals did it after a few years. I am not going to say they did all by themselves. They were able to take advantage of good times, much lower interest rates, and a lower dollar. Yet they did things the right way. The Conservatives in Ontario under the same conditions had the deficit vanish, only to restore it before we kicked their sorry asses out. There is alot of other stuff, but that is the main thing. I also have been around long enough and known many politicians to know that corruption exists at all levels of government, and business. To think other wise is nieve.

 

[Sergei]

The Conservatives in Ontario under the same conditions had the deficit vanish, only to restore it before we kicked their sorry asses out.

Through malicious lying, of course.

 

[clubber]

The Conservatives can lie all they want, but when the Auditor General says we have a balanced budget we have a balanced budget, when they say we have a deficit we have a deficit. We have had Auditor General's who have been overly political, and even bad ones, but they must come forth with the correct numbers on this one thing. The scrutiny on their numbers is too great for them to get away with a lie here. It is then the parties. All the parties that put a spin on the numbers. Round them off, inflate them ect. The fact that the Conservatives in Ontario left us with a deficit is fact. They broke a law they themselves passed. Those responsible should go to jail, should they not.

 

[Sergei]

The Conservatives can lie all they want, but when the Auditor General says we have a balanced budget we have a balanced budget, when they say we have a deficit we have a deficit. We have had Auditor General's who have been overly political, and even bad ones, but they must come forth with the correct numbers on this one thing. The scrutiny on their numbers is too great for them to get away with a lie here. It is then the parties. All the parties that put a spin on the numbers. Round them off, inflate them ect. The fact that the Conservatives in Ontario left us with a deficit is fact. They broke a law they themselves passed. Those responsible should go to jail, should they not.

My point was that the Liberals kicked their sorry asses out by lying to the people of Ontario. I did not say that the Conservatives didn't lie. As far as jail for politicians who LIE goes I agree 100%. But of course all Liberals would go straight to Kingston then.

 

[clubber]

If we put people in jail for lying then all people would be in jail. Should someone go to jail for lying about an affair, or should someone go to jail for lying about weapons of mass destruction, then invading a country under false pretenses, getting thousands of people killed?

Liberals lie, Conservatives lie, NDP I don't think are bright enough to lie. I have told the odd lie. I don't think I know anyone who has not told a lie. I think Wakerton and the people who died because of the Conservatives, and got sick because of them had more to do with it.

The Liberals if anything undersold the Conservatives deficit. The accepted Flaherty numbers. They did so, knowing Flaherty was underestimating the deficit so they could make big promises. Then when elected they could blame the Conservatives for them being liberals and breaking promises. If you can remember back to one of the debates Howard Hampton said this was exactly what the liberals were doing.

Alot of what we do economically is based on the ideas of John Maynard Keynes. Brilliant man. Clinton used alot of what this man wrote about to bring about economic stability to the World Economy, that had been so screwed up but Regan, and Bush. Martin knew his economics and he too used these ideas. The trickle down effect does not work. This is still the Conservative ideal of economics. They call it other things like supply side economics. It basically comes down to give our hard earned money to the rich. This is a very old style of economics that even has some basis in the bible.

 

[Sergei]

If we put people in jail for lying then all people would be in jail.

I said jail for POLITICIANS who lie. Not for everybody.

 

[clubber]

I would rather jail people in the media for deliberately lying or misrepresenting the truth. Then we would have nobody in the news media and no politicians. I could live with that.

 

[train]

Doesn't this belong in the What has Canada done thread?

OTB

Coming from a Yank this is a bit of a laugh. It was the Yanks who invevented granting expedited citizenship for former Nazi's. Von Braun was one example of a war criminal that the US spin doctors tried to change into a hero. The world wasn't really fooled.

People in glass houses.....

 

[LancsLad]

You're a trip. Everything circles around the
polarizing force of either liberal or conservative.

What about the Indies and other groups?

That I am, consistency is the byword.

If you knew anything of cdn Lib politics you would know of what I speak. it was from a doctrine first developed by that slime trewdough as an effective way to ensure lib hedgemony in a francophone dominated Canada.

The libs are past masters at working the multicult vizmin vote and the power blocks that come with it. they have had a few setbacks in that policy over the years but it has served them well, meaning the libs, at Canada expense.

 

[Sergei]

If you knew anything of cdn Lib politics you would know of what I speak. it was from a doctrine first developed by that slime trewdough as an effective way to ensure lib hedgemony in a francophone dominated Canada.

The libs are past masters at working the multicult vizmin vote and the power blocks that come with it. they have had a few setbacks in that policy over the years but it has served them well, meaning the libs, at Canada expense.

I always suspected that immigration to the libs meant immigration of new liberal voters. Uncontrolled immigration, multiculturalism and political correctness, the charter of rights and "freedoms" (my ass), the deficit. All gifts from senor Trudeaux. And they wanted to name a mountain after the guy! Talk about egos the size of a football stadium.

 

[clubber]

I always suspected that immigration to the libs meant immigration of new liberal voters. Uncontrolled immigration, multiculturalism and political correctness, the charter of rights and "freedoms" (my ass), the deficit. All gifts from senor Trudeaux. And they wanted to name a mountain after the guy! Talk about egos the size of a football stadium.

It is a known fact that immigrants tend to vote for the party that is in power when they are granted citizen ship. Mulroney knew this. He got his share.

Immigration has never being out of control unless you listen to the tabloid media. I grew up in a white bread little horror of a town called Acton. The town spewed out one of the higher ups in the KKK, and more skin heads than I can count.

I have to thank PET for multiculturalism and the immigratiion for so many friends I have had, some amazing girlfriends I have had, a ton of great meals. Ever taste Lebanese food. How about those East European strippers. Jerk Chicken. We can go on and on. There is good and bad to all, it helps to see the bad, but take advantage of the good. It makes life better.

Now think of what the term political correctness means. It has been around before it ment being left wing, the new political correctness is actually right wing spurred by the Republicans in the US and used extensively by the Regressive Conservatives and Right Wing media in Canada, which makes liberal a bad word, which makes socialism a bad word.

Sergei you are the new politically correct. Congratualations!!! ha ha ha