Canadian Hate

SDFeuerzauber

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Anyone growing concerned by all the hatred Canadians are directing southward? I'm wondering if it's still worthwhile to cross the so-called peace bridge.

In Germany I never feared that US/"HK" plates would bring harm but now I have to worry about driving <80 miles from my home?

Is anyone else living in US searching out American entertainment as a result? Are there any Canadian businesses adding security to make it worthwile for foreigners to visit?
 
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happywanderer

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Hatred? No. I don't think Canadians in general hate Americans. "We" may be flustered by their naiveté, but I think that most of us are just fed up with their federal government's handling of the whole situation. I support the fact that Saddam is a tyrant and has to go, but the arrogance shown by Bush et all has left a sour taste in my mouth to the point where it really is difficult to swallow all the dogma and rhetoric.

I would like to be on not just the coalition's side, but President Bush's as well, but I am too sceptical of "America's good intentions" when the plundering (re: Haliburton) may have already started. It's one thing to win the war and topple Saddam, but it is another thing to "win the peace." I truely hope that President Bush can do this.


TTFN
 

papasmerf

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Re: What hate?

Winston said:
There is a huge difference between disagreeing with a government policy, and hating. I think most Canadians know that, but that many Americans are so caught up in "my country right or wrong" that they have lost sight of that.

Ah Winston you are so liberal that people matter not.


Americans love their country based on freedom not who we are .
 

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papasmerf said:

Americans love their country based on freedom not who we are .
Well if that's the case then then you should still love Canada .

Right or wrong - acoording to the most recent polls : there are 50 million Americans who are against the war ( 25% ) , 56 million Brits ( 70% ) and only 18 million Canadians (who are against the war ). There is more in common between these 3 groups than you think just stop believing everything you read in newspapers .

Don't confuse disagreeing with hate or confuse the positions of political leaders with the opinions of the populace .

The only American things Canadians truly hate are the Yankees and the Flyers .
 

Cool Dude

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train said:
The only American things Canadians truly hate are the Yankees and the Flyers .
We hate em too.
 

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Canadian Hate? Hardly

SDFeuerzauber, I agree that this is a growing problem that needs to be addressed.

In Canada, we have a very small, very loud group of US-bashers that hate everything the US does. In spite of what their little minds think, they don’t represent the views of the majority.

We have an unfortunate political situation in Canada. We have a so-called democracy that’s a joke. We have a single party system with a group of “fringe parties”, none of which is strong enough or capable enough to form a government. They barely form an opposition. This means that the party in power will remain so for the foreseeable future no matter how bad or incompetent they are. Because of this, they have become so arrogant and self-righteous. They’re mostly looney left wing, with a disproportionate number of French running the country. There are no personal consequences to what they do or say. They will get re-elected anyway. They can get away with calling Bush a “moron” or “Damn Americans, I hate those bastards.” They are too small-minded to realize the consequences to the country by all this trash talk coming from our so-called “leaders.” Again, they don’t represent the views of the majority.

As far as the US policy on Iraq goes, the Canadian people are roughly 50/50 divided on whether they support the war or not. This is approximately the same in the US. This is according to some polls that I've read.

This is most unfortunate for both the US and Canada that some Americans perceive the noise in Canada as “hatred.”

It’s left up to the rest of Canadians, the quiet majority of moderates, to try to repair the damage the bashers and the Liberals have done. We value the relationship that we’ve developed over the years with the US even though our leaders don’t.

To all our American friends, don’t be afraid to visit Canada. When you’re finished with the regime change in Iraq, see what you can do for us as well. :)
 
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gramage

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small group of US bashers? no, we've always resented the states. but it's not a growing number. I've heard all the same crap since long before 9/11 or any invasions of soverign nations. this isn't new it's just getting accross the border now so they know it exists.
 

papasmerf

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I think you will find the majority of Americans would ban foreign moneies from political campaigns as well as stop the US military from being used by NATO and the UN.

The problem is the world has to find its own enforcement wing.
 

mr. x

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canadians no more hate americans than americans hate the french!

and do americans hate iraqis?

its about frustration with bush and much of the us administration, media and elites, and with some of the more narrow minded aspects of US culture. but no country is perfect...
 

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There are many layers of Americans, with each having different characteristics.

One layer is exemplified by the current U.S. regime. The rallying cries of this large , but probably not majority group, are:

1) " If you are not with us , you're against us."

2) " God is on our side "

3) " Might is right "

4) " Preemptive invasions are justified "

5) " The U.N. is ineffective"

6) " the views of others are irrelevant"

7) " The religious right in the U.S. is somehow less fanatical and less dangerous than other fundamentalists in the world"

8) etc

This current regime, backed up by a maleable press, represents the "bully" aspect of the U.S. which so much of the world finds repugnant.

It's time for the other layers to reveal their colours, which may not be quite so RW&B.
 

Joker

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Canadian's don't hate American's at all. The people are very similar; work hard, pay their bills, enjoy barbeques, beer, TV, movies, NBA, MLB, NHL (and hopefully NFL someday).

Our governments are quite different though. I think some of the difference is due to Canada being a smaller country (population wise), and our ability to influence the world is low compared to the US. Therefore we're not as confident in taking on world affairs.
 

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Go to Canada

As an American I've never felt anything but safe and liked in Canada. Great people and cities (Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver...).

There is always a little political tension between the countries. Canada is more liberal, has a bit of a Napoleon complex and largely defines itself as "we're not American". The National Review had a very funny article about Canada going from a world power to a moral power. Canada was too cheap to pay the bills to be a real power so they get on their high horse and moralize.

It's all really a nit, great fun up there in the Great White North eh.

OTB
 

mr. x

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Re: Go to Canada

onthebottom said:
As an American I've never felt anything but safe and liked in Canada. Great people and cities (Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver...).

OTB
on an individual by individual basis - some of my favourite people are, or were, americans. there are a lot of ex-americans up here, just as there are many expatriate-canadians down there.

but, one thing i have learned is it is often best to stay away from politics, and even religion, if you want to have a good time - a rule only to be broken with those who i know i can trust not to take this stuff personally, likely because i know they agree with much of what I think, or who are cabalbe of dealing with a debate with a truly open mind!
 

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It really is an extensive trait of so many americans that they take any criticism as a complete denunciation of their whole way of life. You see this very clearly with the current leadership.

Thank god all americans aren't that way.
 

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sorely said:
It really is an extensive trait of so many americans that they take any criticism as a complete denunciation of their whole way of life. You see this very clearly with the current leadership.

Thank god all americans aren't that way.
fact based comment? Oh, am I doing it?

Couldn't resist. I think most Americans really can't understand why people don't like them.

And while we are generalizing, it's an "extensive" trait of Canadians to define themselves as "not American" in fear of having no unique identity at all.

OTB
 

papasmerf

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Please forgive RED BLOODED AMERICANS for loving their county, family and people.

You have to realize we are a young country and still in love with freedom. I know this is an idealistic value but we prize it above all else. We will never surrender based on the axiem the death is preferable to slavery.

Ok so many peoples around the world would be in chains and live to fight another day. But we are young idealists and don't accept the chains. All I can say in defence of the US's attitude is VIVA la FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!
 

gryfin

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You are not a young country

You have been around for more than two hundred years. Stop snorting the nitrous oxide and deal with reality. There is nothing idealistic about your nations behavior, it's a nation drunk with power bullying those who oppose it. Like every other dominant power the world has had to suffer through.
 

papasmerf

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By the worlds defination 200 years is still young
I realize canada has been toataly free for what????
20 odd years?
 

papasmerf

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Defination????

Ok
How old is Greese, England, Ireland, Scottland........Need i go on??
 
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