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Canadian pork and beef exports to China resuming, says Trudeau

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China’s ban on imports of Canadian pork and beef is now lifted.

In a tweet on Tuesday, Trudeau announced the lifting of the suspension that was put in place by China roughly four months after officials there said customs inspectors had found traces of a banned animal feed additive called ractopamine in a shipment of pork claiming to be from Canada.

However, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency said the export certificate used by the shipment was fake, suggesting the shipment wasn’t actually from Canada.

But the ban remained in place and has been costing Canadian agricultural producers, who export roughly 20 per cent of their pork to China, making it the second-largest market for Canadian pork products.

China is also the fifth-largest importer of Canadian beef products.

In a statement issued shortly after Trudeau’s tweet, the Canadian Meat Council praised the lifting of the ban and thanked the government as well as Canada’s new ambassador to China, Dominic Barton, for their work on the file.

“Our long-standing trade relationship with China is very important to both sides and this represents an important step for both countries,” said Chris White, president of the Canadian Meat Council.

“This is great news, especially on the eve of an industry-led mission to China that CMC has organized to meet with Chinese officials at all key ports where product lands to ensure a smooth operation moving forward.”

In an interview with Global News after the announcement, White said the Canadian meat industry has lost between $300 million and $500 million in exports due to China’s ban over the last four months.

While he said his organization had not yet been briefed on how the Canadian government got China to agree to lift the restrictions and would not be until later in the day, he says he suspects there were three factors at play.

“Certainly the appointment of Ambassador Barton — to have him on the ground and to have someone of his stature; the work that the Canadian Food Inspection Agency did on the technical level to address some of the concerns that China had identified, and certainly the work that industry has been doing since the suspension was imposed with their counterparts in China to allay their concerns as well and to tighten up some of their internal procedures,” White said.

“I think just having a point person in Beijing for the Canadian government to go in and have high-level conversations and point to the work that industry has done, to point to the work that CFIA has done, I think it just made it a lot easier for Chinese officials to feel comfortable with where Canadian industry and government were on the file.”

Neither Agriculture Minister Marie-Claude Bibeau or International Trade Minister Jim Carr were available for an interview on the matter, a spokesperson for Bibeau issued a joint statement for both ministers.

“We know the importance of the Chinese market to farm families and workers across Canada. We want to thank the Canadian Meat Council, the Pork Council, the Canadian Cattlemen, labour and provincial representatives for their sustained and constructive engagement in the government-industry-stakeholder working group that has met regularly since August,” that statement said.

“We will continue to work closely with beef and pork producers and processors in the coming days and weeks to ensure successful resumption of trade.”

The ban on June 25 came on the heels of successive restrictions placed on individual Canadian meat exports as tensions escalated over the spring and early summer between Canada and China over the detention of Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou in December 2018.

China detained two Canadians — Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor — shortly after Meng’s detention and has refused to allow them access to lawyers while allowing only limited consular visits.

Meanwhile, Meng remains out on bail in Vancouver as she fights possible extradition to the United States, where authorities have charged her and her company with 23 counts of corporate espionage and skirting American sanctions on doing business with Iran.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6129666/china-pork-beef-ban-canada/
 

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China’s ban on imports of Canadian pork and beef is now lifted.

In a tweet on Tuesday, Trudeau announced the lifting of the suspension that was put in place by China roughly four months after officials there said customs inspectors had found traces of a banned animal feed additive called ractopamine in a shipment of pork claiming to be from Canada.

However, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency said the export certificate used by the shipment was fake, suggesting the shipment wasn’t actually from Canada.

But the ban remained in place and has been costing Canadian agricultural producers, who export roughly 20 per cent of their pork to China, making it the second-largest market for Canadian pork products.

China is also the fifth-largest importer of Canadian beef products.

In a statement issued shortly after Trudeau’s tweet, the Canadian Meat Council praised the lifting of the ban and thanked the government as well as Canada’s new ambassador to China, Dominic Barton, for their work on the file.

“Our long-standing trade relationship with China is very important to both sides and this represents an important step for both countries,” said Chris White, president of the Canadian Meat Council.

“This is great news, especially on the eve of an industry-led mission to China that CMC has organized to meet with Chinese officials at all key ports where product lands to ensure a smooth operation moving forward.”

In an interview with Global News after the announcement, White said the Canadian meat industry has lost between $300 million and $500 million in exports due to China’s ban over the last four months.

While he said his organization had not yet been briefed on how the Canadian government got China to agree to lift the restrictions and would not be until later in the day, he says he suspects there were three factors at play.

“Certainly the appointment of Ambassador Barton — to have him on the ground and to have someone of his stature; the work that the Canadian Food Inspection Agency did on the technical level to address some of the concerns that China had identified, and certainly the work that industry has been doing since the suspension was imposed with their counterparts in China to allay their concerns as well and to tighten up some of their internal procedures,” White said.

“I think just having a point person in Beijing for the Canadian government to go in and have high-level conversations and point to the work that industry has done, to point to the work that CFIA has done, I think it just made it a lot easier for Chinese officials to feel comfortable with where Canadian industry and government were on the file.”

Neither Agriculture Minister Marie-Claude Bibeau or International Trade Minister Jim Carr were available for an interview on the matter, a spokesperson for Bibeau issued a joint statement for both ministers.

“We know the importance of the Chinese market to farm families and workers across Canada. We want to thank the Canadian Meat Council, the Pork Council, the Canadian Cattlemen, labour and provincial representatives for their sustained and constructive engagement in the government-industry-stakeholder working group that has met regularly since August,” that statement said.

“We will continue to work closely with beef and pork producers and processors in the coming days and weeks to ensure successful resumption of trade.”

The ban on June 25 came on the heels of successive restrictions placed on individual Canadian meat exports as tensions escalated over the spring and early summer between Canada and China over the detention of Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou in December 2018.

China detained two Canadians — Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor — shortly after Meng’s detention and has refused to allow them access to lawyers while allowing only limited consular visits.

Meanwhile, Meng remains out on bail in Vancouver as she fights possible extradition to the United States, where authorities have charged her and her company with 23 counts of corporate espionage and skirting American sanctions on doing business with Iran.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6129666/china-pork-beef-ban-canada/
Was the ban due to the fake certificate or the detainment of Meng (or both?)?
And why did it take 4 months?
How will the producers recoup the millions lost?
 

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Fact is that the Trudeau Government did not cave in, as the detention of the Huawei Executive done so under an agreement with the USA and at their request.

As it turns out, China needs these products as they have their own issues and they faked those test certificates to impose the ban for their own political means!!
 

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They’ve been quietly buying US pork for several months now, they had a herd failure I believe.
 

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Fact is that the Trudeau Government did not cave in, as the detention of the Huawei Executive done so under an agreement with the USA and at their request.

As it turns out, China needs these products as they have their own issues and they faked those test certificates to impose the ban for their own political means!!
Who issued the fake certificates? Canada or China?

"The Canadian Food Inspection Agency presented a detailed plan to Chinese customs officials detailing steps the regulator would take to ensure no further export-certificate fraud occurs, according to producers."
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-china-resumes-importing-canadian-beef-and-pork/

This would imply Canada did. If that's true, then how will the money lost be recovered if this was essentially self-inflicted?
 

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There is no point getting mad at the Chinese. Our best friends the USA plays games like this all the time. As a smaller country we do not have a lot of options.
 

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Who issued the fake certificates? Canada or China?

"The Canadian Food Inspection Agency presented a detailed plan to Chinese customs officials detailing steps the regulator would take to ensure no further export-certificate fraud occurs, according to producers."
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-china-resumes-importing-canadian-beef-and-pork/

This would imply Canada did. If that's true, then how will the money lost be recovered if this was essentially self-inflicted?
However, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency said the export certificate used by the shipment was fake, suggesting the shipment wasn’t actually from Canada.
So are you saying that the Canadian Food Inspection Agency was lying?? All it means is that the Canadian Food Inspection Agency will be more stringent to ensure that the Chinese do not fall for those fake certificates that certify the meat to be "Canadian", although it maybe from another unidentified country, or the Chinese were faking it to justify their ban on Canadian pork and beef!!
 

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So are you saying that the Canadian Food Inspection Agency was lying?? All it means is that the Canadian Food Inspection Agency will be more stringent to ensure that the Chinese do not fall for those fake certificates that certify the meat to be "Canadian", although it maybe from another unidentified country, or the Chinese were faking it to justify their ban on Canadian pork and beef!!
Shipment wasn't from Canada? So China imported it from another country and/or made fake certificates so they could say it was imported from Canada? That doesn't make sense.
 

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Shipment wasn't from Canada? So China imported it from another country and/or made fake certificates so they could say it was imported from Canada? That doesn't make sense.
It seems like they wanted to find a reason to blame Canada for the ractopamine in the pork. Canada has to conform to strict regulations when it exports certain products that are permitted in Canada, but not so to the importing nation. There are strict guidelines and protocols that all the producers have to conform to it. It is traceable if such a banned product is submitted. In other words you can identify the exact location from the batch number etc.
 

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I have a stake in a Canadian company that ships Ontario pork to the PRC. The ban lasted all of two months before the Chinese caved. Their pork stocks have been hit hard by African Swine Flu, prices in the PRC have risen by 70%. It was either drop the bully tactics or face domestic insurrection. The growing middle class of the PRC is addicted to pork. Ontario produces high quality pork, in demand all over Asia...we learned a thing or two from Walkerton.

As for our Prime Minister, he may look like he's mostly made up of Margaret but does appear to have some of his father's mettle. He neither caved in to the PRC, nor Hindu Nationalists. Not sure what Shiva Scheer though he was doing in India, the only item that will correct frayed relations with India is an official apology for Air India. And we say how badly the criminal conspiracy trials went.

It may have cost Shiva the election...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmnU2crNl3s
 

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It seems like they wanted to find a reason to blame Canada for the ractopamine in the pork. Canada has to conform to strict regulations when it exports certain products that are permitted in Canada, but not so to the importing nation. There are strict guidelines and protocols that all the producers have to conform to it. It is traceable if such a banned product is submitted. In other words you can identify the exact location from the batch number etc.
So assuming it was all a ploy by China, it still resulted in a loss of $millions to our economy. Why did it take months to determine that the certificates were fake? I mean, Canada would have been told about the ban on pork and the reason. We would have asked to verify the certificates to then determine they were fake. 4+ months sounds like a very long time to do this check.
Something doesn't smell right...and it's not the hogs.
 

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So assuming it was all a ploy by China, it still resulted in a loss of $millions to our economy. Why did it take months to determine that the certificates were fake? I mean, Canada would have been told about the ban on pork and the reason. We would have asked to verify the certificates to then determine they were fake. 4+ months sounds like a very long time to do this check.
Something doesn't smell right...and it's not the hogs.
Where does it say that it took 4+ months to determine that these certificates were fake. The fact is that China were just playing the blame game to add to the Huawei Executive detention at the request of the USA. So it was just a ploy to use their leverage to get Canada to capitulate by releasing that Executive. However, as China are undergoing a shortage of beef and pork, that is why they are doing a 180 and now accepting the Canadian Beef and Pork. They just do not want to admit that the blame game on Canada was fake!!
 

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I have a stake in a Canadian company that ships Ontario pork to the PRC. The ban lasted all of two months before the Chinese caved. Their pork stocks have been hit hard by African Swine Flu, prices in the PRC have risen by 70%. It was either drop the bully tactics or face domestic insurrection. The growing middle class of the PRC is addicted to pork. Ontario produces high quality pork, in demand all over Asia...we learned a thing or two from Walkerton.

As for our Prime Minister, he may look like he's mostly made up of Margaret but does appear to have some of his father's mettle. He neither caved in to the PRC, nor Hindu Nationalists. Not sure what Shiva Scheer though he was doing in India, the only item that will correct frayed relations with India is an official apology for Air India. And we say how badly the criminal conspiracy trials went.

It may have cost Shiva the election...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmnU2crNl3s
This.

Its totally about China's domestic market being destroyed by African Swine Flu.
 

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Where does it say that it took 4+ months to determine that these certificates were fake. The fact is that China were just playing the blame game to add to the Huawei Executive detention at the request of the USA. So it was just a ploy to use their leverage to get Canada to capitulate by releasing that Executive. However, as China are undergoing a shortage of beef and pork, that is why they are doing a 180 and now accepting the Canadian Beef and Pork. They just do not want to admit that the blame game on Canada was fake!!
Ban started in June...so about 5 months ago.
I assume that when they started the ban they offered an explanation as to why? And if that explanation was given at the time, why did it take so long to prove those were fake certificates?
Unless of course they said it was due to fake certificates but didn't actually provide them until very recently? Not enough details here to confirm the timing on this.
 

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Ban started in June...so about 5 months ago.
I assume that when they started the ban they offered an explanation as to why? And if that explanation was given at the time, why did it take so long to prove those were fake certificates?
Unless of course they said it was due to fake certificates but didn't actually provide them until very recently? Not enough details here to confirm the timing on this.
Again in other words, the Chinese just wanted to find an excuse to penalize Canada, as a repercussion for the arrest of the Huawei's Meng arrest!!
 

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The ban lasted all of two months, the Chinese can't get enough Ontario pork.

How good is it? Leafs coach Mike Babcock has gone Phil Kessel, extolling the joys of Italian sausage. That's nothing new, Toronto's salumieri tradition is a century old. Immigrant Italian butchers prepared the rations that Canadian soldiers ate in France during WW I. That's when the Italian Canadian food companies began. Most of them have been taken over by Primo, now part of MLSE. Primo also began operations during WW I.

The Mike Babcock segment was just shown on Tim and Sid...along with Mike Francesa farting.
 

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The ban lasted all of two months, the Chinese can't get enough Ontario pork.

How good is it? Leafs coach Mike Babcock has gone Phil Kessel, extolling the joys of Italian sausage. That's nothing new, Toronto's salumieri tradition is a century old. Immigrant Italian butchers prepared the rations that Canadian soldiers ate in France during WW I. That's when the Italian Canadian food companies began. Most of them have been taken over by Primo, now part of MLSE. Primo also began operations during WW I.

The Mike Babcock segment was just shown on Tim and Sid...along with Mike Francesa farting.
The ban started near the end of June which is just over 4 months ago:
https://globalnews.ca/news/5431727/china-canada-ban-meat-exports/

...now I'll let you get back to your sausage.
 

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Again in other words, the Chinese just wanted to find an excuse to penalize Canada, as a repercussion for the arrest of the Huawei's Meng arrest!!
Yes I get that part.
My questions is why did it take so long to prove the certificates were fake.

I know it was most likely all an excuse by China, but why weren't they called on it immediately rather than months later after economic damage was already done?
 

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Yes I get that part.
My questions is why did it take so long to prove the certificates were fake.

I know it was most likely all an excuse by China, but why weren't they called on it immediately rather than months later after economic damage was already done?
Even if the Canadian Inspection Agency responded within 24 hours, it would have made no difference. The Chinese wanted to ban the meat products on the basis of this purportedly false test results as a punitive action in response to the arrest of the Huawei Executive. The only reason that they are rescinding this ban is on the basis that they have a shortage due to the virus infection of their own meat products. The Canadian beef and pork are known to be of top quality internationally. So absolutely nothing to do with the alleged delay of identifying the falsehood of the results from China!!
 
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