Canadians will pay for the Carney government’s budget delay

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Lee Harding
May 29, 2025

The Carney government skipped the budget. But it didn’t skip the spending. And you’re on the hook.

What’s better?

To spend and save without a plan, or to do so with accurate information and a focused strategy? The federal government has chosen the former, and one thing is certain: Canadians are going to pay.

Finance Minister François-Philippe Champagne announced on May 14 that the newly elected Carney government wouldn’t table a spring budget, opting instead to take things “step by step.” Parliament will sit until June 20, but aside from this week’s throne speech, delivered by King Charles III and outlining broad policy intentions, the only stated priority is to lower the first income tax bracket from 15 per cent to 14. That would slightly lower federal income taxes for most working Canadians by reducing the rate on the first $55,000 of income, saving up to about $550 a year.

That sounds good until you ask how it’s being paid for. Without a full budget, Canadians have no clear picture of the trade-offs or long-term costs.

Tabling a budget is how a government shows its plan. It outlines spending priorities, revenue projections and the fiscal path forward. Skipping this step is no small matter.
Canadians will repay this tax cut with interest, sacrificing tomorrow’s services for today’s soundbites. This approach lacks fiscal prudence; doing it without a budget only compounds the recklessness.

That recklessness isn’t just theoretical—it’s already taking shape. On May 27, the government released its main estimates outlining $486 billion in spending, nearly as much as last year. But without a comprehensive fiscal plan, there’s no clarity on how major campaign promises will be funded, what new taxes or cuts might be coming, or how sustainable this spending is. Notably absent are line items for the $3.5-billion Trade Diversification Corridors Fund and $150 million in new CBC funding.

Worse, a full budget won’t arrive until the fall. In the meantime, billions will be spent with no clear roadmap: just vague promises and political messaging. Canadians are being asked to trust a government that refuses to show its math.

Ottawa last failed to table a budget during the peak of the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020 (an unprecedented global crisis). The result? A surge in public debt we’re still paying for. There is no such emergency now, just political calculation.

Carney called proposed U.S. tariffs “the greatest crisis of our lifetimes.” Yet just days later, he appeared beside U.S. President Donald Trump at the White House, smiling for cameras. The contrast between his rhetoric and behaviour is difficult to ignore.

Meanwhile, the government’s primary defence for delaying a full budget—that it lacked time to prepare—doesn’t hold up. The Harper government won a majority on May 2, 2011, and still tabled a budget that June. Carney’s team includes many Trudeau-era veterans, and the Department of Finance is staffed by seasoned public servants. The Liberals could deliver a budget. They choose not to.

Even when the Liberals do produce budgets, the results have been troubling. On Dec. 31, 2015, federal debt was $693.8 billion. By the end of 2024, it had reached $953.9 billion, a 37 per cent jump in just nine years. These debts may never be repaid.

A 2022 Fraser Institute study estimated that a 16-year-old Canadian will pay $29,663 in lifetime income taxes just to cover interest on the federal debt—money that won’t fund any services.

And now, while promising tax cuts, the government has quietly slashed carbon price rebates to consumers, from $11.67 billion to just $3.5 billion. More Canadians will lose out on affordability relief, while industrial carbon levies remain untouched. These trade-offs deserve scrutiny, but without a budget, they stay buried.

The government’s fiscal plan includes $4.2 billion in income tax cuts and a GST exemption on first-time home purchases, costing $383 million. But these measures are overshadowed by tens of billions in
borrowing.

Last year’s budget included $538 billion in spending, $40 billion of which came from debt. That deficit later swelled past $60 billion. This year’s plan is projected to worsen the fiscal outlook by another $46.8 billion, even after accounting for $20 billion in retaliatory tariff revenues.

Parliament must still approve additional spending through supplementary estimates. But without a full budget, MPs are flying blind, asked to greenlight billions without context or accountability.

What would be refreshing, though unlikely, is for non-Liberal MPs to approve only measures that strengthen the economy, military and policing, while rejecting everything else until a full financial plan is presented.

Governments should manage national finances like any household or business: with discipline, transparency and a clear plan. Anything less isn’t leadership. It’s evasion.

 

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Lee Harding
May 29, 2025

The Carney government skipped the budget. But it didn’t skip the spending. And you’re on the hook.

What’s better?

To spend and save without a plan, or to do so with accurate information and a focused strategy? The federal government has chosen the former, and one thing is certain: Canadians are going to pay.

Finance Minister François-Philippe Champagne announced on May 14 that the newly elected Carney government wouldn’t table a spring budget, opting instead to take things “step by step.” Parliament will sit until June 20, but aside from this week’s throne speech, delivered by King Charles III and outlining broad policy intentions, the only stated priority is to lower the first income tax bracket from 15 per cent to 14. That would slightly lower federal income taxes for most working Canadians by reducing the rate on the first $55,000 of income, saving up to about $550 a year.

That sounds good until you ask how it’s being paid for. Without a full budget, Canadians have no clear picture of the trade-offs or long-term costs.

Tabling a budget is how a government shows its plan. It outlines spending priorities, revenue projections and the fiscal path forward. Skipping this step is no small matter.
Canadians will repay this tax cut with interest, sacrificing tomorrow’s services for today’s soundbites. This approach lacks fiscal prudence; doing it without a budget only compounds the recklessness.

That recklessness isn’t just theoretical—it’s already taking shape. On May 27, the government released its main estimates outlining $486 billion in spending, nearly as much as last year. But without a comprehensive fiscal plan, there’s no clarity on how major campaign promises will be funded, what new taxes or cuts might be coming, or how sustainable this spending is. Notably absent are line items for the $3.5-billion Trade Diversification Corridors Fund and $150 million in new CBC funding.

Worse, a full budget won’t arrive until the fall. In the meantime, billions will be spent with no clear roadmap: just vague promises and political messaging. Canadians are being asked to trust a government that refuses to show its math.

Ottawa last failed to table a budget during the peak of the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020 (an unprecedented global crisis). The result? A surge in public debt we’re still paying for. There is no such emergency now, just political calculation.

Carney called proposed U.S. tariffs “the greatest crisis of our lifetimes.” Yet just days later, he appeared beside U.S. President Donald Trump at the White House, smiling for cameras. The contrast between his rhetoric and behaviour is difficult to ignore.

Meanwhile, the government’s primary defence for delaying a full budget—that it lacked time to prepare—doesn’t hold up. The Harper government won a majority on May 2, 2011, and still tabled a budget that June. Carney’s team includes many Trudeau-era veterans, and the Department of Finance is staffed by seasoned public servants. The Liberals could deliver a budget. They choose not to.

Even when the Liberals do produce budgets, the results have been troubling. On Dec. 31, 2015, federal debt was $693.8 billion. By the end of 2024, it had reached $953.9 billion, a 37 per cent jump in just nine years. These debts may never be repaid.

A 2022 Fraser Institute study estimated that a 16-year-old Canadian will pay $29,663 in lifetime income taxes just to cover interest on the federal debt—money that won’t fund any services.

And now, while promising tax cuts, the government has quietly slashed carbon price rebates to consumers, from $11.67 billion to just $3.5 billion. More Canadians will lose out on affordability relief, while industrial carbon levies remain untouched. These trade-offs deserve scrutiny, but without a budget, they stay buried.

The government’s fiscal plan includes $4.2 billion in income tax cuts and a GST exemption on first-time home purchases, costing $383 million. But these measures are overshadowed by tens of billions in
borrowing.

Last year’s budget included $538 billion in spending, $40 billion of which came from debt. That deficit later swelled past $60 billion. This year’s plan is projected to worsen the fiscal outlook by another $46.8 billion, even after accounting for $20 billion in retaliatory tariff revenues.

Parliament must still approve additional spending through supplementary estimates. But without a full budget, MPs are flying blind, asked to greenlight billions without context or accountability.

What would be refreshing, though unlikely, is for non-Liberal MPs to approve only measures that strengthen the economy, military and policing, while rejecting everything else until a full financial plan is presented.

Governments should manage national finances like any household or business: with discipline, transparency and a clear plan. Anything less isn’t leadership. It’s evasion.

Surprise! 🤷‍♂️
 
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nottyboi

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Lee Harding
May 29, 2025

The Carney government skipped the budget. But it didn’t skip the spending. And you’re on the hook.

What’s better?

To spend and save without a plan, or to do so with accurate information and a focused strategy? The federal government has chosen the former, and one thing is certain: Canadians are going to pay.

Finance Minister François-Philippe Champagne announced on May 14 that the newly elected Carney government wouldn’t table a spring budget, opting instead to take things “step by step.” Parliament will sit until June 20, but aside from this week’s throne speech, delivered by King Charles III and outlining broad policy intentions, the only stated priority is to lower the first income tax bracket from 15 per cent to 14. That would slightly lower federal income taxes for most working Canadians by reducing the rate on the first $55,000 of income, saving up to about $550 a year.

That sounds good until you ask how it’s being paid for. Without a full budget, Canadians have no clear picture of the trade-offs or long-term costs.

Tabling a budget is how a government shows its plan. It outlines spending priorities, revenue projections and the fiscal path forward. Skipping this step is no small matter.
Canadians will repay this tax cut with interest, sacrificing tomorrow’s services for today’s soundbites. This approach lacks fiscal prudence; doing it without a budget only compounds the recklessness.

That recklessness isn’t just theoretical—it’s already taking shape. On May 27, the government released its main estimates outlining $486 billion in spending, nearly as much as last year. But without a comprehensive fiscal plan, there’s no clarity on how major campaign promises will be funded, what new taxes or cuts might be coming, or how sustainable this spending is. Notably absent are line items for the $3.5-billion Trade Diversification Corridors Fund and $150 million in new CBC funding.

Worse, a full budget won’t arrive until the fall. In the meantime, billions will be spent with no clear roadmap: just vague promises and political messaging. Canadians are being asked to trust a government that refuses to show its math.

Ottawa last failed to table a budget during the peak of the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020 (an unprecedented global crisis). The result? A surge in public debt we’re still paying for. There is no such emergency now, just political calculation.

Carney called proposed U.S. tariffs “the greatest crisis of our lifetimes.” Yet just days later, he appeared beside U.S. President Donald Trump at the White House, smiling for cameras. The contrast between his rhetoric and behaviour is difficult to ignore.

Meanwhile, the government’s primary defence for delaying a full budget—that it lacked time to prepare—doesn’t hold up. The Harper government won a majority on May 2, 2011, and still tabled a budget that June. Carney’s team includes many Trudeau-era veterans, and the Department of Finance is staffed by seasoned public servants. The Liberals could deliver a budget. They choose not to.

Even when the Liberals do produce budgets, the results have been troubling. On Dec. 31, 2015, federal debt was $693.8 billion. By the end of 2024, it had reached $953.9 billion, a 37 per cent jump in just nine years. These debts may never be repaid.

A 2022 Fraser Institute study estimated that a 16-year-old Canadian will pay $29,663 in lifetime income taxes just to cover interest on the federal debt—money that won’t fund any services.

And now, while promising tax cuts, the government has quietly slashed carbon price rebates to consumers, from $11.67 billion to just $3.5 billion. More Canadians will lose out on affordability relief, while industrial carbon levies remain untouched. These trade-offs deserve scrutiny, but without a budget, they stay buried.

The government’s fiscal plan includes $4.2 billion in income tax cuts and a GST exemption on first-time home purchases, costing $383 million. But these measures are overshadowed by tens of billions in
borrowing.

Last year’s budget included $538 billion in spending, $40 billion of which came from debt. That deficit later swelled past $60 billion. This year’s plan is projected to worsen the fiscal outlook by another $46.8 billion, even after accounting for $20 billion in retaliatory tariff revenues.

Parliament must still approve additional spending through supplementary estimates. But without a full budget, MPs are flying blind, asked to greenlight billions without context or accountability.

What would be refreshing, though unlikely, is for non-Liberal MPs to approve only measures that strengthen the economy, military and policing, while rejecting everything else until a full financial plan is presented.

Governments should manage national finances like any household or business: with discipline, transparency and a clear plan. Anything less isn’t leadership. It’s evasion.

Dude, we have a govt that is only a few weeks old. Where do you think such a new govt is gonna get a detailed plan for the entire transformation of the Canadian economy in a few weeks? 🤣🤷‍♂️
 

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nottyboi

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Frankfooter

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People like me that want an actual plan and budget to see how much Carney is fucking Canada?
Seems like you’re the one with no idea.
People like you are so partisan that when DoFo runs the biggest deficit and debt in Canada, worst unemployment, worst health care and education funding you will still blame Carney or Trudeau. You will still attack Carney for things you back in DoFo.
 

oil&gas

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Carney’s hocus-pocus plan to increase debt and balance the budget

May 31, 2025

Prime Minister Mark Carney’s promise that his government will “spend less and invest more” is the same sort of fiscal flimflammery as Justin Trudeau’s claim in 2014 that as prime minister he would grow the economy and “the budget will balance itself.”

The budget never balanced itself under Trudeau, even before the pandemic hit in 2020.

His 2015 election pledge of three years of “modest deficits” in 2016, 2017 and 2018 followed by a balanced budget in 2019, turned out to be a myth.

As for Carney’s pledge to “spend less and invest more” respected University of Calgary economist Trevor Tombe, writing in The Hub, noted that “Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre dismissed Carney’s proposal as ‘cooking the books’ and history justifies the skepticism.”

Carney dismissed that criticism by suggesting he has more experience than Tombe as an economist and economic manager.

Jake Fuss, director of fiscal studies for the Fraser Institute, called Carney’s pledge “creative accounting” because “Mr. Carney’s math doesn’t add up.”

In fact, Carney is planning to spend more and borrow more than the Trudeau government.

This while abandoning the “fiscal guardrails” that former federal finance minister Chrystia Freeland said were important to maintain the integrity of federal finances, at least prior to her resigning when she said the Trudeau government had abandoned them.

Freeland is now minister of transport and internal trade in Carney’s cabinet, so perhaps she’s changed her mind.

So how is Carney going to make good on his promise to balance the budget in three years while spending more and increasing the debt?

This apparent economic miracle will only be achievable because Carney is making a new distinction in government spending.

He’s separating the operating expenses of the federal government — the cost of daily operations, plus cash transfers to the provinces and benefit programs such as Old Age Security, $10-a-day daycare and dental care — from capital spending on infrastructure.

Carney, who criticized Trudeau for driving up the operating costs of the government by an average of 9% annually, says he will reduce those increases to less than 2%.

He will then invest more money, financed by more public debt, in fast-tracked, nation-building infrastructure projects such as housing construction, making Canada a clean energy superpower and other initiatives designed to bolster our economy and make it less reliant on the U.S.

The problem with redefining debt is that it’s still debt for the people who have to pay it back with interest — taxpayers.

As Tombe, put it, “Carney’s financial sleight of hand will not actually balance the budget.”

Carney’s election campaign platform outlined $130 billion in new spending over four years with total deficit spending of $224.8 billion.

That’s 71% higher than the $131.4 billion in deficit spending the Trudeau government predicted during the same period in its fall economic statement last December, although had Trudeau decided to run again his election promises would have increased his projected deficits.

To be sure, if will be a positive step if Carney can significantly reduce the operating costs of the government, a major component of which is the cost of the federal public service.

But it will also be interesting to see how he will achieve this, given that his intention, aside from making use of Artificial Intelligence, is to cap the size of the public service at its current level of approximately 357,965 people.

That’s an increase of more than 100,000 civil servants — almost 40% — compared to when Trudeau took office in 2015.

Carney’s promises also depend, according to his campaign platform, on achieving $28 billion in savings from “increased government productivity”, $3.75 billion from “increasing fines and penalties” and $20 billion from revenue generated by Canada’s counter-tariffs in its trade war with U.S. President Donald Trump.

Some economists agree with Carney that redefining public debt into operating and capital spending components will make it more transparent, but others warn the temptation will be to redefine operational expenses as capital investments, in order to meet Carney’s promise of a balanced operating budget in three years.

What the Carney government intends to classify as operational expenses versus capital investments won’t be known until the Liberals unveil their budget in the fall.

That said, capital spending to fund infrastructure in tough economic times to boost the economy is hardly a new concept.

Done competently, it can work as planned, in the same way a homeowner taking out a mortgage to buy a home can increase the family’s equity, provided he or she can meet the mortgage payments.

The key word is competently.

One of many examples of previous capital investments by governments in concert with the private sector turning into financial disasters are Light Rail Transit projects in cities such as Toronto and Ottawa, funded by the federal, provincial and municipal governments.

Meanwhile, parliamentary budget officer Yves Giroux reported last year that the federal, Ontario and Quebec governments have earmarked up to $52.5 billion — 60% paid by the feds, 40% by the provinces — for 13 projects intended to create an electric vehicle and EV battery industry in Canada.

That’s $6.3 billion or 14% more than the $46.1 billion the industry plans to invest in these projects, with many companies now cutting back or delaying production due to slow EV sales.

 

Insidious Von

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Fuck the Toronto Sun, they are MAGA ass kissers.

The Free Trade agreement between Canada and the EU is bearing fruit. Canada is helping build the Bridge of Messina, part of the EU expanded infrastructure project. It's the centerpiece of the Stockholm-Palermo line.

 
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squeezer

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That's not what he campaigned on.
You just don't like we have an intelligent savvy business mind in power who will properly come up with a budget when he has all the facts not a piss stain who blurts out bullshit from outside the place he's not allowed in. I am curious, will Pee Pee this time get his security clearance once he can appear again in what, 3 or 4 months?

It looks like my tear mugs are getting a little down and this is a perfect thread for filling them up. AHHHHHH , let the tears pour in fellas.....

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oil&gas

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I didn't vote PP. I gave my vote to the NDP. I hope it is reasonable
to demand fiscal responsibility of our government.

You just don't like we have an intelligent savvy business mind in power who will properly come up with a budget when he has all the facts not a piss stain who blurts out bullshit from outside the place he's not allowed in. I am curious, will Pee Pee this time get his security clearance once he can appear again in what, 3 or 4 months?

It looks like my tear mugs are getting a little down and this is a perfect thread for filling them up. AHHHHHH , let the tears pour in fellas.....
.............................
 

squeezer

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I didn't vote PP. I gave my vote to the NDP. I hope it is reasonable
to demand fiscal responsibility of our government.
If you demand fiscal responsibility in your government, why vote NDP?? Has the NDP proven to be fiscally responsible?? Just curious, please enlighten me and show me why you believe the NDP is the party to vote for if folks demand fiscal responsibility?
 

oil&gas

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If you demand fiscal responsibility in your government, why vote NDP?? Has the NDP proven to be fiscally responsible?? Just curious, please enlighten me and show me why you believe the NDP is the party to vote for if folks demand fiscal responsibility?
I knew NDP was not going to win and I never want them to be the ruling
party. I do think NDP is fine as an opposition party. Here is one thing the
NDP said about Carney's tax policy which I agree with:

NDP says Mark Carney will 'not put your family first' by scrapping capital gains tax

I actually benefit from Carney scrapping the capital gains
tax. But I also believe it is a policy that benefits mainly the
affluent.
 

squeezer

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I knew NDP was not going to win and I never want them to be the ruling
party. I do think NDP is fine as an opposition party. Here is one thing the
NDP said about Carney's tax policy which I agree with:

NDP says Mark Carney will 'not put your family first' by scrapping capital gains tax

I actually benefit from Carney scrapping the capital gains
tax. But I also believe it is a policy that benefits mainly the
affluent.

Carney is only targeting the new increased capital gains tax; let’s not pretend he’s scrapping it altogether. And no, this doesn’t just affect the affluent. How many everyday Canadians scrimped and saved for decades to buy a modest cottage or an investment property, hoping it would secure their retirement, only to be told 30 years later that the government wants a bigger slice?

I didn’t agree with the Liberals when they floated this cash grab, and I’m glad Carney’s putting a stop to it. Punishing people for building something over time isn't progressive, it’s regressive.


Spend Spend Spend.
Yup, thankfully Pee Pee didn't get in so we are good.
 
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